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Beauty and the East
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Beauty and the East
Ljubljana, Slovenia, May 1997
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#beautyeast: jaycee jaanis bingo tapmak
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bingo: ho john
bingo: never met
jaycee: HEY, JOHN HERE FROM MEDIA BASE
bingo: WOW
tapmak: the capital MAN
jaycee: okay, Tapio just called me to get online
jaycee: Well, caps lock was on...
bingo: no problem about andreas.. we're here
jaycee: no more
tapmak: now without capital, read poor. I will send an e-mail to Abr
bingo: so, john, how's things?
jaycee: I think Andreas thinks to be on in another 30 min
jaycee: well, quite fine
bingo: oh good
jaycee: just saw the son of the great Nigerian musician Fela Anikulapokuti playing this evening
bingo: was any good?
jaycee: how is NetTime?
bingo: not so bad, it was a bit tough today, cause all are tired as hell
jaycee: He is fantastic... Like his father who is not allowed to leave the country for political reasons
bingo: but yesterday and the day before.... bingo
bingo: oh I know the story
jaycee: I figured everyone would be out partying tonight?
bingo: exacto!
jaycee: and we do the net party?
jaycee: good connection, too, that's nice
bingo: i have a net.art meeting in a short time....
bingo: good good, we're proud of that here
jaycee: I just finished a workshop this week on Dialogue and Technology as you know
bingo: sure i know
bingo: how?
jaycee: it went quite well, one student is here now talking to friends in the US on another machine
bingo: hello world
tapmak: since this is taking a while... I will dis /reappear for 5 min to make coffee. I need it. Also a shot of whisky and some chocolate.
bingo: i could use a coffee
bingo: oops, mail from mother...
jaycee: your mother is on email, that's nice...
jaycee: We have coffee here, Tapio, Pia made some...
jaanis: xo what do you do jaycee?
bingo: and brother
jaycee: But we don? have the whiskey
bingo: i want some of that coffee
jaycee: Well, I am here again in Finland doing that workshop and then doing a performance next week, and then going north with Tapio for the Polar Circuit project
jaycee: I have been visiting Finland a number of times in the last two years, thanks to Tapio
bingo: isn't Paul somewhere there?
jaycee: Paul Garrin?
bingo: Garrin
bingo: thanks to Tapio
bingo: yes
jaycee: No, not that I know, he's in New York, I think, we were going to meet when I was in NYC last month, but I missed him
jaycee: Yes, definitely thanks to Tapio...
bingo: i see, i somehow thought he's not coming to ljubljana cause of something in scandinavia
jaycee: A good example of a hard-working networker
bingo: he'll explode one day
jaycee: Well, I haven't heard, but I am not always well informed...
tapmak: ho, coffee is brewing, thanks for thanks, but Paul is in Copenhagen
bingo: c'mon... curious
jaycee: Tapio? let's hope not, it would be a LOSS!
bingo: ha, i knew
tapmak: he has an exhibition there
tapmak: only visiting
bingo: tapio don't boom
jaycee: (well, after a whisky, he can...)
jaycee: I speak from experience...
tapmak: but Paul is always virtually in Helsinki, doing tricks on our server.boohoo
bingo: didn't know
bingo: i know he's very into scandinavia, and he's on all hotlists in the region
bingo: any sexy news on name.space?
jaycee: Well, there are some very cool energies up here (no joke!)
jaycee: that's why I come back...
bingo: energies? like nice food, sleep/
jaanis: finnland oficially is not scandinavia ;-)
tapmak: I expect sexy news on name.space soon, the legal affair is interesting. Nothing new that I know at the moment.
tapmak:
jaanis: what?
jaycee: Well, I suppose only political/economic ties put it there, but it is different, for sure
tapmak: linguistically not, but cultural/historically and contemporary politically, yes.
jaanis: by the way our server thing is alittle delayed , but I expect that in 3-4 week it will be running, and we could make additional nameserver..
jaycee: jaanis, you are inStockholm?
tapmak: bravo Jaanis. one with a good line?
jaanis: they say it would be fast!
jaycee: bingo, aside from seeing friends, what was the Nettime atmosphere?
jaanis: also we are considering addind a separate satelite channe lin autumn or winter..
bingo: did you see the program (so i can skip descriptions)?
jaanis: . with our friend in one booming private ISP, here
jaycee: yes, I did
tapmak: what private ISP?
jaycee: I am curious on how Nettime matures...
bingo: ok, so the first morning we've done this *easy* net.art talk, and it was generaly fine, let's say also smart
jaanis: at the moment yeas I am basicly from Riga, but at the moment Iam studying 2nd year here..
bingo: bob adrian had a nice little fight with david garcia, while mark stahlman was trying to ask something about aesthetics...
jaanis: well .parks.lv
bingo: that was bizzare
jaycee: Mark is a fighter
jaycee: Bob, I thought not
jaanis: but i mean they are pretty active ang have dynamic plans - and..
bingo: and then the on line publishing block was a bit lower in intensity, but david bennahum had a nice lecture about history of internet...
bingo: mark is very interesting, but hard to have around for two days...
jaanis: there are some people close to artistic world too,
jaycee: Does that text exist, for David?
tapmak: jaanis,,, I would like to hear more, can you send me e-mail, let´s join the discussion about nettime
bingo: hmmm, this is my week spot.
jaycee: Yeah, I haven't met Mark in person, although we talk every now and again virtually
jaanis: yes!
bingo: There is about 120 pages of a reader that acompany the lecture, and are now being copied.... week spot cause I'm responsible all gets it, and will not
bingo: Mark is creative
jaycee: well, if it is digital, maybe just nettime parts?
jaycee: Yeah, a troubled powerful intellect to be listened to (especially the things behind the words...)
tapmak: What was the conflict/critical moment about in the discussion=
jaycee: hmmm. connections?
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jaanis: fine!
bingo: no, sorry, alexei was on the phone, gotta leave in about 8 minutes
bingo: so, about david thing, it is xerox of 60ies internet texts... great stuff
jaycee: well, I should email Andreas, although I imagine he will be here on the hour coming...
jaanis: does andreas has implanted modem? ;-)
tapmak: A Bouquet of flowers to Alexei from helsinki
jaycee: mmm, sounds interesting... Maybe a copy up here that a number of us can share inthe next month if you can...
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jaycee: Gosh, you can send flowers by IRC?
bingo: ok he'll get them
tapmak: well, I just did.
tapmak: hello patrice
bingo: si patrice
patrice: hallo, this is me in ljubljana, the other TWATs are in the restaurant...
bingo: so john, you can ask patrice about how was the conf
jaycee: Technology is brilliant...
bingo: tech is everything, so i go back to archaeology
jaycee: PAtrice, you left the restaurant, then?
patrice: well, the conference was of sterling nettime quality...
jaycee: can you define that?
patrice: no, or yes i left the restaurant so that you guys wouldn t be alone....
bingo: only four therefore alone
patrice: oh yes, pls bear with me i m a slow typer as u see...
jaycee: well, thanks for that sacrifice, I was looking forward to an IRC with you folks all week...
bingo: sorry, busy
bingo: too tough
tapmak: beep beep beep
patrice: so jazcee is that certain person from that big orga now in the reichshaupstadst...
jaycee: I'd say not alone, but a very comfortable table setting of our own
jaycee: was? Ich sprecht keine Deutsche
bingo: waas
patrice: hello bingo rumor has it trhat u r seating quite close to me...
bingo: as close as close can get
jaycee: See, a comfartable table of our own...
bingo: patrice just went for a glace of wine
jaycee: How is that whisky, T?
tapmak: kippis
jaycee: My tea has gone cold...
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wvdc: hi :)
bingo: wvdc!!!!!! baybe
jaanis: ... sound of jaanis, by getting his drink too..
jaycee: Welcome. have a chair at the table
wvdc: bingo !!!!!!!!!!!!! da'ling
tapmak: I had cognac instead. Hello.
bingo: katabingo
wvdc: at beautyeast after all ...
jaycee: here we be
patrice: waaaooooow waaaalter!
wvdc: hows life over there ?
bingo: hey hey important
bingo: so sorry you all are not here
patrice: rainy i d say, but fine otherwise
bingo: but it's great otherwise
wvdc: patrieieieieieieieieies !!!
wvdc: bingo, dont keep me reminding of my mistakes
patrice: nou rustig effe, sorry ....
wvdc: ?
wvdc: zo
wvdc: en ?
bingo: sorry Volks Wagen District of Columbia
patrice: so to come back to the sterling quality of a nettime gettogether" totally chaotic, yet highly fruitfull!
bingo: Voltaire Croissant
wvdc: :)
wvdc: but reinout is stryggling to get a linux thing online
bingo: nice color of your grin here, i use a color tv
wvdc: y=u
patrice: ooohooohw how niiiiice! :-))) to reinz!
wvdc: bingo, hmm, cu-see-n ?
bingo: no no, y = ?
bingo: n?
wvdc: patrice, lets just wait till he drops by here ;)
wvdc: bingo, u tell me babe
wvdc hopes this sensitive content is not logged by no means no !
bingo: no log no way
jaycee: gotta run for a few to catch a burning CD
patrice: an added feature of this is the strangely arrayed keyboard , but bingo just fixed it for me...
jaanis: i will copy it!
jaanis: .. and sell
tapmak: Is this Klingon or Esperanto? Where can I get a crash course?
bingo: shit i gotta go in 3 minutes
wvdc: jaanes, wow :)
patrice: is that CD in the micro-wave, jaycee?
wvdc: hmm, why is everyone leaving ?
jaycee: You have it down to Minutes?
jaanis: joke
jaycee: like 180 sec?
jaycee: or 147 now
bingo: basicaly it is about 270 sec, but streachable
jaycee: I'll keep track
bingo: we type so fast
patrice: i'm not leaving, i've just got two deciliter of puik slovenian plonk! (white dry)
jaycee: no doubt
bingo: and cleannagsdagsr
wvdc bingo kiss how are you man? wish i was there ...
patrice: so where is andreas?
bingo: it's dinner + secret net.art meeting, like I said before
wvdc: yeah where is andreas ?
tapmak: A will log on in 3 minutes
patrice: yes, bingo what is this *secret* meeting about?
bingo: sure you wish, also at this dinner, alexei, jodi, and heath too
wvdc: bingo no virtual edinner party ?
bingo: sorry, after pasta maybe
wvdc: ok :)
wvdc: after the pasta
bingo: *secret* is about nettime, we think of it a lot now
jaycee: THIS IS THE SECRET MEETING!
bingo: first food today, necessary
jaycee: isn't it?
patrice: the others are closeted in some dreadfull pre-post folkloric restau with a lot of woodwork & buxom waitresses...
wvdc is very is the food a secret too ?
wvdc: hmm
wvdc: typoos
patrice: yeah man i'm so SLO...
bingo: it'll be some tuna based tagliatelle, and some gniocchi with gorgonzola, i suppose
patrice: bingo, don't make me hungry, pls
jaycee: c'mon, I had no dinner...
bingo: wine is local nad good, + decent fresh salad
jaycee: either
bingo: and good
jaycee: and Tapio is across town with his Cognac
jaycee: and Black Cat
patrice: meanwhile at the dreadful restaurant....
tapmak: I had a Ghana style bean chili; really tasty
wvdc: dreadful
bingo: fuck you, i envy now
patrice: Ghana style: tell me more about that...
wvdc is just drinking cheap beer
tapmak: It was regular chili, but then topped with a sauce that had anchovis and a mix of chilies mixed... mmm.
bingo: fuck you i said
patrice: how can you get Ghanaian food in Suomi?
wvdc: hmm no operators on this channel
jaycee: alright, I AM STARVING!
wvdc: bingo you've said the $$$ word
bingo: this is terrible, i am soo hungry
tapmak: We have a world music festival on, but it is people living here who make it.
patrice: WWW=$$$???
jaycee: Yes, desk.nl is a restricting server for us utlanders
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bingo: US$?
wvdc: hi reinz
reinz: ha walter!
patrice: hi reinz!
reinz: patrice!
wvdc: zijn we weer :)
bingo: gesloten
wvdc: bingo
**** U
bingo: hi hi
patrice: yep, and meanwhile la Barbara is closeted in the dreadfull restaurant...
wvdc: la barbara is there 2 ?
wvdc: hmm lotsa lag
patrice: yep, she murdered that stoopid journalist from Zuerich & stole her train tkt.
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bingo: èkajgshkjhargkjkjgra¨!!"!!!"!#!
abroeck: hey folks
patrice: yippie andreas!!
bingo: hello abroeck
wvdc: hi andreas
jaanis: 2
patrice: an a hearty welcome from SLOvenia...
jaycee: hey A!
jaycee: and Suomi
tapmak: hello a, from Suomi too
abroeck: wow, this is a CHAT!
jaycee: happenin'
patrice: well, sort of...
abroeck: how is Lj
abroeck: patrice?
bingo: kinda rainy
patrice: rainy and waiting for a crash every moment from NOW
abroeck: you nettimin'?
wvdc: zegge
bingo: so very much, and feeling fine
patrice: yep this is the one & only patrice (watch out the speed)
wvdc zet eens een leuk plaatje op terwijl reinz tv kijkt :)
jaycee: No operator, no crash
tapmak: chat//cat/hat/at/desk.nl; smooth flow.
patrice: thats an optimistic viewpoint it seems...
bingo: where's the girls?
wvdc: grrrls ?
patrice: closeted in in the dreadful restaurant...
abroeck: saturday night fever
tapmak: smart and out having fun
bingo: saturday night beaver
jaycee: hmm, well Pia sits across the room into the forth hour of an IRC with two friends in the US
abroeck: how did the meeting go, vuk?
wvdc: andreas saturday night fear ;-)
abroeck: local public reaction?
patrice: patrice says: the meeting went well, and was objectively good.
bingo: not bad actually, but wou were really missing
bingo: Inke was fighting, but the form was too tough
bingo: she had a tough job
jaycee: tough form?
abroeck: form too tough?
jaycee: like time?
bingo: form of the meeting, the structure
abroeck: too dense?
patrice: or the absence of the same...
jaycee: Well, gotta have spots of Form and spots of Chaos'
patrice: with marked ups and downs
bingo: not so much the time, but the idea we do it without real lectures this time
wvdc:
**** reinz is away: has too much time... *
wvdc: tja
patrice: yet the few lectures we had were very nice
bingo: it was more like 10 minutes blitz statements
abroeck: were people not well prepared?
wvdc: hmm
jaycee: one speaking to many is always problematic, but so is a multiplicity of one speaking to one
patrice: hmmm, what do you mena by not well prepared, a
bingo: not that, it's that people were confused with the chance to really talk
abroeck: how many people were there in the room?
abroeck: discussion?
wvdc: jaycee, yes broadcasting is hard
bingo: about 110
tapmak: how did you work; did no lectures create more time for discussions?
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jaycee: No doubt suffering from the history of conferences...
wvdc: hi superfem
abroeck: hey maggie!
bingo: exactely, the idea was to use the presence of mostly the greatest humas around... and not make them only listen to single talks...
jaycee: better to broadcast in Absentia
patrice: yeah i agree, may be a bit to much f2f or many faces to many faces
bingo: omnifemme
superfem: hello all my dearests in ljubljana still!
jaycee: and talk face to face
wvdc: jaycee thats what this is all about isn't it ?
wvdc: :)
patrice: who might this be or not 2 be
superfem: hello andreas- great- i finally did it had to fix a konsum break and the chief is in espana- but I did it;-)
jaycee: no doubt. Structures can be structured to do both!
superfem: ~
abroeck: mag, trying to figure out what happened in lj ...
patrice: but, before i forget, what's really super is ZKP4. first copies will hit a'dam to-morrow courtesy DavidG
bingo: gotta
bingo: go
superfem: so what is it all about- you are discussing the real meaning of face to face- I like body to body too
abroeck: i didn't go
bingo: hungry
wvdc: bingo eat well
jaycee: it is funny that meetings always have a bit of disappointment in them... well, not funny, but interesting
wvdc: c u later
bingo: oh will so much and so nice
tapmak: by bingo tagliatelle
abroeck: i just had chicken and beer in the park
patrice: here comes alexei s
jaycee: bon appetit
wvdc: but dont drink much so you can make it back to this terminal
bingo: oops, jodi and alexei just entered
superfem: I know dear andreas- therefore I think its great you invited for the chat.
patrice: hi guzs, i am alexei here
tapmak: Hi alexei!
wvdc: alexej sweethaert
bingo: shit the cook is ill in our restau
superfem: h
abroeck: hey alexei
jaycee: hei A! John now in Helsinki again
wvdc: euh
wvdc: sweetheart
bingo: we have to go really
patrice: no more conf )a=
jaycee: ill cook, long night
superfem: heello- how was it up to now- satisfied- and good mood?
wvdc: bingo we ?
abroeck: you survived vuk's meeting-cooking?
tapmak: have a heartstew
bingo: food needs to be eaten
bingo: so it's final, ciao
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jaycee: Okay, please not too much food talk, I am STILL starving
patrice: alexei says hello again & is back to patrice
tapmak: Alexei, what are your brief impressions of the nettime date this time?
jaanis: hello Alexei!
jaycee: rather warm nettalk to fill me belly
abroeck: alexei, will refresh be refreshed?
patrice: and bingo is leaving to a restaurant where there is no food, so back to non-food discussions here!
jaanis: shame refresh is not working!
abroeck: john, go and get something to bite so you can stop thinking about food ..
superfem: is refresh finally emanzipating from damn interactivity- hi elexej
abroeck: refresh needs care
superfem: hiaz gens scha olle essn andres (.)(.)
jaycee: not possible, A... nothing open that I can afford, and too far away... Okay, I move into a Zen state...
patrice: referesh???
abroeck: lets hear more about lj meeting; highlights?
patrice: moving into Zen state...? and everybody is leaving here...I am all alone...
jaycee: yes, eager ears here...
wvdc: be fresh ?
jaycee: No, a Zen state to ignore me belly
wvdc: patrice how are you ?
jaanis:
abroeck: lets hear more about lj meeting; highlights?
patrice: ok highlights. Mark Stahlmann himself wis among the TWATs!
superfem: so janis you have been at the meeting in physical personam- tell me who was the "enemy" this time?
jaanis: it's strange..
abroeck: Josif Stahlmann was a highlight?
superfem: or the enmy;-)
patrice: OK apparently no highlight. So Ted Byfield then?
jaanis: i hope no ;-)
superfem: i thinkso- thios is real chat
jaanis: coincidence/destiny ;-)
abroeck: i don't know? when did the meeting 'happen'?
tapmak: The ironman? I want to hear things, not people now. Good ideas? Bad ideas? Interesting new projects? Future plans?
patrice: JS did say quite a few interesting things. And he's far nicer IRL. And he gave us very good wine ;-)
jaycee: I'm away for five
tapmak: What nice interesting things?
abroeck: so, what about the post-push-Europe?
abroeck: tapio, they actually partied all the time, it seems,and had some confused meetings ...
abroeck: or they don'twant to tell us
patrice: sorry tapmak I'm a notorious nitwit. So for hard info, you'd better contact the real gonzos. and yes, we did elaborately discuss future plans, ao the future of publishing the nettime bible & whether we should sell our soul to the devil, and there was also richard Barbrook...
jaanis: ha ha!
abroeck: will there be EDAN
abroeck: ?
patrice: EDAN?
abroeck: European Digital Artists Network - rmember the Manifesto
patrice: errrrr YES YES
abroeck: well, most of us seem to be TWSAs anyway
abroeck: Maggie, why didn't you go?
jaanis: SOS! what is TWSA?
abroeck: where when will I see you?
tapmak: yeees. a secret meeting. Only code. I like it too. But I was hoping for something to think about. I will get more coffee, still here. Edan sounds like holy cheese. Digital is an invalid adjective.
abroeck: Those Who Stayed Away (as againsts the TWATs)
abroeck: why is digital invalid?
patrice: Ok, one of the things discussed was whether there was not too much load on nettime. Many agreed with me that this pushes (!) you in the attitude of "anyway it will all be nicely printed out & the I'm gonna read it ALL!...(guess what...)
superfem: sorry - was invalid shortly making a secure shell- which IS valid now
abroeck: there will be a lot of representation pressure on nettime through documenta, too
wvdc is back
abroeck: do people actually read the nettime postings at the moment?
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patrice: TWSAs= Those Who Were Not There orso?
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abroeck: hi walter
tapmak: Because digitality itself is as valuable adjective as "pulp" is for the printed media. It bears no essence in itself. It is a medium centered definition;; analogue media are equally interesting, so is critical media, cultural media and ... but digital is an empty definition, so is digital arts.
wvdc: hi andreas
patrice: hi walter, thats fast!
superfem: what did youmean didnt go - had to prepare a cd-rom workshop and url with students on superfem prn for and from fem...
wvdc: patrice fast and bulbous
abroeck: TWATs_Those who are there
wvdc: anyway
wvdc: whois in berlin next week ?
patrice: there was also a lot of discuss about nettime at documenta. but i was not in that group, so i don't know the outcome
patrice: geert is in berlin via Wien
wvdc: ah ja
wvdc: en marleen]
abroeck: tim druckrey is coming to berlin
abroeck: and PLW and CAE
patrice: marleen i dont know
abroeck: kathy and eva will be here, and jodi
wvdc: p[atrice but i do
abroeck: marleen yes
wvdc: -[
abroeck: we'll ahve fun next weekend
wvdc: yes we will :)
patrice: ok, you know far more than me. whats up in bln anyway?
wvdc goes brighton after berlin
wvdc: en dan terug naar mijn arbeitslager :)
tapmak: what´s on in Brighton?
patrice: brighton is nice... what for walter?
wvdc: tapmak, workshop artists - programmers
superfem: oh yes hope to meet you here in vienna on 29- pit and geert- making a presentation at the "official art site center" in vienna ;
wvdc: by lighthouse (no url)
superfem: andreas- you are also in Oslo?
wvdc: "official art site center" ??
patrice: yes but a very nice poster (i ve one)
wvdc thinks this is a travel agency ;-)
jaycee: or a business...
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patrice: both art & cit are italian travel agencies...
superfem: was joking- nettime has become art - and is presented on the 29 at the museumsquartier in vienna
tapmak: Do you know Jeff Taylor who used to be in Brighton, now in Finland? I would like to know who is doing workshops in Brighton... to perhaps connect later.
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patrice: i've already suggested that the nettime pressconf in vienna is gonna be far more impressive looking that the nettime gathering its about..
superfem: yes for sight seeingtours
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jaycee: watch out for legitimization
patrice: how is that ping pong timeout working (warning if I'm out i'll be unable to come in unaided & alonbe again...)
superfem: oh andreas timedout.. may be we eill see him again
wvdc: hmm i dont see jeff taylors name in the listing ?
patrice: he knows at least how this $5#&/% works...
superfem: +
patrice: -?
reinz: leave
jaanis: gnop gnip
patrice: why ?
wvdc will send you an email about it if i have more info ...
wvdc: on brighton
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patrice: bye bye reinz...
wvdc: reinz heeft dorst dus ik moet even weg...
patrice: groet hem nietemin hartelijk van mij!
superfem: emote you never know*
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wvdc: reinz is thursty so I'll have to go out for an hour or so ...
patrice: welkom bek!
abroeck: i wa disconnected ...
tapmak: Hi a, thought you dozed off
superfem: so tell agian a bit abvout the final events- were many people ther participating?
abroeck: no just a fatalping,i guess
superfem: patrice- what did you mean with "bigger" abou the press conf in vienne?
abroeck: tapio, i take yourpoint about 'digital'
tapmak: At the moment, only patrice is from Lj. Where is alexei?
superfem: I have constantly a ping running not to get offline, andreas here on my mexico macine (.)(.)
patrice: so i m supposed to hold it out for one hour more... anyway fire your Qs on LJ & remember the motto of Calcutta Police.: "Ask NO questions, and you will be told NO lies"...
abroeck: although sometimes the pragmatics of these words is interesting - as Pulp can be
patrice: r u in MEXICO?
wvdc is in amsterdam right now so evrything is just working fine :)
tapmak: yes andreas..
wvdc: hmm
patrice: just as in Karls-Ruhe!
superfem: NO- this is the name of my servermachine at the mexicoplace in vienna))
wvdc: patrice yes offcourse :)
patrice: aaaaah welll....
wvdc wants to go now...
wvdc: c ya'all latah
jaycee: ciao
patrice: ok goodbye & goodnight walter...
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wvdc: patrice mmaybe in an hou or so ?
jaanis: anyway.. just seeing the huge list of participants and the dividing with that the 2 days, now i dget dizzy..
wvdc: hour ?
superfem: so I missed if there was a highlite today..was there none- want to talk about the gatering?
jaanis: i am starting to think as a some kin of a-bit dead end..
tapmak: I was reminded of the problems of the "digital" today by a school teacher who had to figure out what a "digital" art work could be through reading things he could find from a library. He was baffled, but did a project with students to "Youth Digital Art Festival", where I was chairing a seminar today. For him, the "digital" was still a threshold. I guess this is too much for this irc andreas.
superfem: *no highits- may be we dont have to argue too much that we had to stay and work her, andreas;)
jaanis: we do not have to move to talk 1 to all..!
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patrice: yes of course. today was the day of the picnic...which did not happen...so we all sat under big parasols in a cultural centre. and we discussed about the present, and the future. we had also an "evaluation" of sorts...
tapmak: Did Bingo serve magic mushrooms today?
patrice: NO
jaycee: and, what was the result of evaluation?
superfem: please- we are able to talkk about digital also in analog histirc metaphors here in this IRc, dear- so go on.
patrice: ps is this an insult?
jaanis: i u mean from me then no way!
superfem: digital is no insult- really
tapmak: insuline
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jaycee: huh? parasols?
abroeck: ooops
superfem: against rain
patrice: the result of the valuation was mixed. some people felt it had not been focused enough, some other the contrary. problem seems to be that up to now nettime gatherings had been held within other events, this time it was nettime alone, and may be to much
superfem: too much focused ooooooooon nettime itself- like l#art por l#art, you mean?
patrice:
superfem: against the sun first, against the rain later (post lucem tenebrae)
superfem: alea jacta est
jaycee: well, the energy level seems to be spilling over in our expectancy here, wnating to KNOW about what HAPPENED... interesting...
superfem: cave canem
superfem: aurea prima satasque
patrice: superfem exacltly that. Peter (LW/hakim Bey) put an end to that
jaycee: sounds possible, like Nettime filling up on itself? a danger like from the listserfv
jaycee: listserv
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jaanis: nice pause ;-)
patrice: may i remind you again, folks, that i am an absolute nitwit in matters intelectual, so i can offer you only very little (and probably tasteless) morsels of the SUPER hi-level discussions conducted here... sorry
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patrice: welkom bek a!
abroeck: this is getting tiring
patrice: for you more than for us
superfem: yes, why no piocnic- iremeber good workingbreakfasts fex in cologne with andreas ao
abroeck: must be modem-berlin-desk
patrice: ps still amazed i m still here, i must have aguardian angel...
patrice: ps2 this is my first IRC, or surely my longest..
abroeck: how was connectivity at ljudmila?
abroeck: yeah, mag, cologne was good, we should repeat that at some point
patrice: bad, here is excellent, at K4 it was moderate. Think that they want to shift from here (KUD) to Vizmarje...
superfem: YES
jaycee: Patrice there are also discussions of personal impression, NOT intellectual that are of equal or greater importance that the intellect histories
abroeck: the machine thing is continuing for me ...
jaanis: about connectivity.. i cheched irc.arnes.si goes through NL anyway, at least for my part of EU
jaanis: ..rope
superfem: fine performative tendencies with active participation of the system is now my new love-m,achines are talking and we are talking
jaanis: so desk.nl for irc is fine..
abroeck: mag, the knowbots were approached about something in hamburg next year, perhaps i can talk them into a MAK follow-up
jaycee: To recant histories of words spilling in great number is redundant, but insight in to a self at the meeting...
jaycee: not to pressure you..
superfem: oh fine..wish you the best
patrice: yes jaycee, but i feel so inadequate at expressing concepts, so if i name names, i think you get an impression. anyway it always look far more impressive from a distance. here it was mainly "gezellig" (gemuetlich) only when we'll be all back for thre month orso, we'll call it "epochmachend"
abroeck: machines are talking, but when they stop, we stop too
superfem: no- ping and log goes constantly- your female supervisor
patrice: shall i get another two deci of wine? did i earn it?
tapmak: prost patrice!
jaycee: so, when it becomes a history, then it becomes monumental?
patrice: i'm not down (and out) yet...
abroeck: so they continue talking while they prevent us from talking at times...(-;
superfem: I also will print abook with the nettime submissions after they went through the semantic frequence filter of the machine;-)
abroeck: prost pat
abroeck: prostman pat!
superfem: prost und servas=prost
jaycee: or at least a collective history? skoal..
patrice: yaycee. its not history, its merely the "recul" (in french) of time which smoothes out the memory and highlightens the good (or the bad) things...
abroeck: we could turn this IRC ito a mytical event
tapmak: or at least collected histories
jaycee: how is that A?
patrice: while you fulks turn this IRC in a mythical event, i get some wine...
jaycee: okay, we let you go for a SHORT time
abroeck: i just thougt that when patrice said that in a few months LJ'll turn into a historic meeting
patrice: ps hope i'll be still in when i'm back...
abroeck: bring me some
superfem: mytical needs storytelling- lets tell PersonalComp stories
abroeck: tapio,you survived the seminar today?
patrice: that's SIT 240.- then, a
jaycee: Well, no doubt, if we generate the energy here in this moment, IT WILL BECOME MYTHICAL AND MYSTICAL!
tapmak: the irc that went on for 1001 nights; Yes a, I made new friends.
jaycee: we are here, now, after all...
jaycee: why not?
abroeck: i was in a discussion about nanotech and neuroaesthetics
jaycee: SMall and getting smaller, alice?
abroeck: vladimir muzhesky was there, and Detlef linke said some nice things
superfem: and the neurosphere brought some results - beside oldmen adoring
tapmak: n&n;;; neuroaesthetics, how does that start?
jaycee: what were the energies (not the names ;)
superfem: endo
abroeck: Linek produced a brilliant slip of the tongue
superfem: slip hab i an
abroeck: he was talking about retinal implants, and instead of saying die Netzhaut des Menschen
superfem: bh a
abroeck: he said die Menschenhaut des Netzes
superfem: die netzhaut der erdde?
superfem: we are in the netzhaut now
jaycee: (my German is not exact enough to grab that...
patrice: so i'm back with a spritz (one deci of white + one deci of radenska minaralna woda)
jaycee: any fine tuning..
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tapmak: by the way, a small comp story. This teacher I mentioned, said that he thought he was too old to learn things. I said tha I had received a letter from a 85 year old Brazilian, originally Finnish woman Eila Ampula, who at 80 started to use Corel Draw to do her Art. The teacher (whom I never met before) says: Oh, I just visited Eila in Brazil in December.
superfem: im making now a cd on seeingmachines with students in linz..and also male seeing machines
abroeck: retina is net-skin in german (netzhaut)
abroeck: so instead of the net-skin/retina of man he said the human-skin of the net
superfem: the globe is wrapped in the ultimate netskin of wires
tapmak: nice language combo there! It is in Finnish verkkokalvo, net tissue
patrice: tapmak your story reminds me of how small the planet is after all... (no, simple constatation, no sentimentality intended)
jaycee: hmmmmmm
abroeck: virilio's seeing machines? or crary's?
superfem: verkokkalo- like streptokokken for seein sth
jaycee: Well, but the smallness is also measured by the power held by the particular nodes, keep in mind...
jaycee: the human net is vast
superfem: alfons shillings ones- but also on complex observation settings a seeing mechanisms
tapmak: vast planet, sometimes very close and small net-tissues; connecting seeing platforms
jaycee: hmmm
tapmak: thin
abroeck: human networks are topological, not geographical
jaycee: vision
abroeck: imagine the 'skin'of this irc in geographicaland in topological terms
jaycee: walk ten km to see someone
superfem: net topograpjie is giving the line
patrice: and i thought wvdc had the monopoly of skepticism..
superfem: and also the physical topografie of our nodes
tapmak: yes. topological; therefore the idea of vision is kind of outdated with the regard of the net.
jaycee: Skeptic? I call it play!
abroeck: interesting tapio - the non-visuality of topology?
tapmak: yes
tapmak: since visual mapping is highly geopolitical, very easily at least.
jaycee: yes, the idea, but not the actuality... Ideas are skins often outmoded
abroeck: but what about zoom?
abroeck: but visual is not = mapping
jaycee: topology is the mathematical idea of skin forms
patrice: general announcement: (i) Most TWATs are still closeted in the dreadful restaurant apparently (ii) Someone wants to quick me out of here (sombres histoires de clefs...) (iii) The Spritz does not have the expected revivifying effect, but rather its opposite. So...
superfem: visuality is made by mental models- and this we have her
jaycee: Merde! go for straight vino! quick!
abroeck: bye patrice, and send my greetings to the leftovers
wvdc is back
abroeck: he w
jaycee: but is vision?
wvdc: ha a
patrice: i'm down but not out yet, a
abroeck: i'll go for a quick drink - 2 mins
wvdc: patrice ? whats wrong ?
patrice: welkom bek wvdc, was that ONE hour?....
wvdc just had a quick drink with reinz
jaycee: A Light in the eyes
wvdc: patrice dunno
tapmak: no, but metaphorically to think about the vision machines (done so many times with the city space/panoptikon/also in relation to the screen)... Now, as we use this text, the discussion of the perspective and "field of vision", "point of view" are problematic.
patrice: nutin' wrong, just feeling dizzy...
wvdc: patrice, drank 2 much ?
tapmak: it is past midnight in Helsinki, joined this irc at 21.15
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wvdc: patrice and i thought wvdc had the monopoly of skepticism..
wvdc: ??
tapmak: jaanis, are you still there?
jaycee: no doubt, T. and the New Ways of Seeing can be described how? the Net Ways
jaanis: yes!
patrice: walter, this was of course a subcutanean reaxion on someone else's statement ;-)
superfem: vision machines- city?- netpanopticon and visionary machines in the sense of the status of the observator and the observation set she is creating - artcoded program?
wvdc: patrice hmmi got really scared for a moment
patrice: getting scared from IRC pronouncements? I'm learning all ze times...
abroeck: he visionaries, you lose me
jaycee: just thinking of me as receptor of results of vision, not delivery of said phenomenon to others...
jaycee: I can't speak for another's impressions (result of their visions)
wvdc: patrice well irc = very scary :)
patrice: anyway, what are U drinking? or are you sampling some other controlled substances?...
superfem: nice expressed jaycee;
tapmak: Not necessary to talk about seeing at all in this relation. In net topology subjects and localities are more or less in translocal positions, where geography is interesting in political, economical, cultural terms but not really through visual perception. Therefore, net is not about "seeing the world". The closest thing to seeing the world is the satellite, which becomes absurd in its totalitarian particularity.
patrice: meanwhile jaycee & superfem are expressing themselves in some kind of reconstructed virilian lingo...
jaycee: well, I think too many times we (used spareingly) tend to work out models for the Other, and do not know the Other or the Self under circumstances of the model...
superfem: sweet liquidities inhaling
tapmak: I think I will inhale more coffee and a whisky
wvdc: good idea
superfem: but with the satellite we can hear- good beats from pulsars fex- we used in the Bp dj lecture as baseline, dear
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jaycee: But in a dialogue with an Other, I can come to See the world of their construction ( that is the result of genuine dialogue)
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jaycee: (speaking of this as a dialogue net
wvdc: hi ham
ham: hi!
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superfem: hallo herbert!
wvdc: re hi a
jaycee: I inhale ionized particles
ham: aha!
patrice: sorry, i've some lpractical problem to solve here, count me out for a few '
abroeck: yes yes
jaanis: u mean here or other own things, tonight?
jaanis: ..sorry.
jaycee: can't find a clean glass P.?
abroeck: w are there any vicious pings on the desk server?
superfem: yae you djonmisator
wvdc: abroack no. why ?
jaycee: We have a blessed connection here to Helsinki, it seems
wvdc: abroeck, sorry
superfem: everything private and for adults, herbert
abroeck: not to blame, this is netreality
tapmak: Yo, I am on home 28.8 modem and downloading a 10Mb file at the same time, tulips for desk.nl
wvdc: tapmak great :)
jaycee: cruisin
abroeck: w when are you coming to berlino?
wvdc is on a 14k4 modem @home, just irc
wvdc: a erm may 28 - june 1 is planned
jaanis: yes may be ping helps, i run it too. no problem, here
superfem: yea- but we will see in personam at documenta time- looking to see without seeing machinery- sth we had before, herbert
jaycee: MediaBase (what is our line, here, T.?)
superfem: yees- i also run ping..
abroeck: mag when will you go to kassel?
wvdc: with rubin and the jets
superfem: sth like 20th or so
wvdc wil be in kassel only at june 20
patrice: no my problem was a complicated situation with keys and now i'm really alone here at KUD & I'm waiting for the return of the TWATs...
tapmak: Jaycee, it is a T1 10 Mb Ethernet line//16 machines
abroeck: what do you folks see in the ping? what does it do?
superfem: fine
superfem: pinging constantly
wvdc: hehe
patrice: i luv walter and his 14.4 ....
wvdc: patrice :)
abroeck: mag 20 june?
superfem: JA
jaycee: JAH
abroeck: too early, way too early
superfem: oslo you auch going?
abroeck: beginning august is te time ...
abroeck: ich nicht going oslo
wvdc will not be in oslo ...
superfem: september still?
jaanis: abroeck, @MAC home?
patrice: can anybody tell me what's happening in Kassel anyway? OK, forget it. Seems now I'm booked for the nettime slot, but that's only in septermber..
superfem: @linux box
wvdc: @mac and/or @linux
abroeck: abroeck@mac@modem@home->is.in-berlin
jaanis: may be really try to download a big file in beckground, or
patrice: Wer is going to Oslo in fact?
superfem: qesc
superfem: @esc
superfem: ich
abroeck: kathy armin eva calin tim, and pierre levy
superfem: ao
abroeck: oops, not eva,eva cummin to berlino
wvdc: and whois in berlin ?
jaycee: I'm going to Iceland...
superfem: many people
abroeck: mag are they paying your trip to oslo?
tapmak: superfem, we will be in Lapland doing a workshop then. Want to pay a visit?
jaycee: Akureyri to be exact, anyone else?
superfem: yes pay me!!!!
tapmak: jaycee, I would LOVE to visit some time.
patrice:
superfem: Ach so, to do what (in Oslo)? (i mean i *happen* to know what 'Oslo' is)
superfem: i cheap
abroeck: they aren't?
abroeck: 6th Cyberconf,pat, in two weeks
superfem: lapland has good saunas?
patrice: a.: Pierre Levy MURDABAD! MURDABAD!! MURDABAD!!!
wvdc: tapmak, finland, thats is where in finland ? heslinki, rovaniemi ?
abroeck: murdabad?
wvdc: patrice hihi
tapmak: lapland has cruisin saunas
superfem: alahokba
patrice: a.:(XXXXX)
tapmak: and computers, mosquitos, rivers, lakes, hills AND nice people
superfem: you are in the saunas, then?
tapmak: TORNIO
wvdc: hmm
abroeck: p, i don't get it - nederlands?
tapmak: digital saunas, hih
abroeck: een lange omschrijving?
jaycee: Back to Travel Agency lingo
superfem: mail to superfem@konsum, your personal female supervisor
abroeck: ik heb ook zo mijn ideeen over hem ...
wvdc remembers kathy's digital bathtub
patrice: ME WEGERMEE ME WEGERMEE ME WEGERMEE (Bilwet variant: TV, Weg Ermee)
superfem: ik mag ju well
abroeck: tapmak digital not valid
tapmak: paradoxes are good parasites
superfem: invalid Xess
superfem: para normal
tapmak: more steam
wvdc lits another lead
jaycee: parasites are ticks, people are poli; politics: parasites on the people
patrice: BTW, Murdabad is Hindi/Urdu & means "Down with" The Opposite is ZINDABAD! meaning, Long Live! MaoZeDong, orso...)
abroeck: anybody read tom'stext? john,you?what is it about?
superfem: shanti, shanti, shanti
jaycee: (Peter Tosh)
tapmak: smoke sauna is the real thing. ZindaBath.
jaycee: Tom's?
wvdc smiles
patrice: t. :)
abroeck: poli/para
superfem: with lappian herbs
abroeck: tom bass
jaycee: ARCTIC THYME
patrice: a poli/para: that's the one i didn't read...
jaycee: Uh, no...
abroeck: tapio will be all new after those two lappland months
wvdc: i can recommend the local bathhouse in nariem (w-siberia)
abroeck: ready to rejoin the artworld ;-)
tapmak: polar/para ... . .. w- siberia, indeed
jaycee: rejoinder
tapmak: abroeck, you teaser
abroeck: w, whatever happened to the ominous trip to siberia of that crazy men's team?
tapmak: rejoining reindeer
wvdc: a it should work before 2000
patrice: from SLO: when r we going to Siberia, w? ;-)
abroeck: t,i came across the moscow posting re:ADM again the other day, made me laugh again
wvdc: p soon ! :)
patrice: ps meanwhile, they're still closeted in the dreadful restaurant
tapmak: do you mean with Lev and others, or another exp.?
abroeck: no, alexei,Ivan and others
wvdc: the 7th siberconf will be held in tomsk
abroeck: :-)))
superfem action
tapmak: Yez, the moscow posting was really nice. When in tomsk?
wvdc: tapmak, well before 2000 is the idea
patrice: TOMSK? 8(((
abroeck: that's two-and-a-half years max
wvdc: peewee wilson will join us too
patrice: w that's the pitts
superfem wondering what date they are making now
tapmak: ... Polar Circuit workshop will surely continue. This year non budget thing, but we could do a polar-connectivity-also-money-scheme
abroeck: 7th siberconf tomsk
wvdc: p yes tomsk, whats wrong with tomsk ?
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wvdc: re hi jaydee
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abroeck: i want to go to isea next year, in liverpool
wvdc:
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abroeck: liverpool was kewl this april
superfem what tapmak likes?
patrice: hello again jaycee
abroeck: and we can squat the meeting with the Syndicate
jaycee: hey, our server went down ...
abroeck: we got moles in the organisation
wvdc suggests end of may in tomsk (with a detour to akademgorodk)
patrice: AKADEMGORK: yes yes yes
tapmak: hello jaycee, still in corpofair condition?
superfem: me/ love tomsk in end of may
jaycee: uh, blink, tiring
jaycee: quickly
abroeck: may 98, that is?
wvdc: p ok, just tell alexei, he'll arrange everything ;-)
tapmak: 24 hours of sunlight is the best trip
wvdc: good, so tomsk end of may 1998
patrice: van de orde: i'm taking just a little pause, to see where the TWATs are. Hope to be back in 5'
jaycee: May 98, the travel agency in active forcasting the biz 12 months Down Big Road...
superfem loves constant steam then
abroeck: alexei had connections in novosibirsk
abroeck: and i recently met sb from Omsk ...
wvdc: abroeck da's bijna hetzelfde als akademgorosk
abroeck: might even be possible
wvdc heeft connecties in novokuznjetzk
superfem: ik heb a irgendwas
abroeck: we'll have to decide on a continent ...
tapmak: I may work for a project connected to Barents
abroeck: wos deen?
superfem: geographical topolgy like?
abroeck: waas maanst?
wvdc: we could build a cybercafe in dostojevsky's prison cell
superfem: cause of the continet- what you want it for?
superfem: nice
jaycee: madre de dios! walk the walk talk the talk and MAP
jaycee: I just dance in mind now
abroeck: just too many city names tradedd for a moment
superfem: mapping the skin again
superfem: yes
wvdc: i could arrange a boat for us to travel for a month on the ob
jaycee: skin is a map, fun to read
superfem disturbed a bit now
tapmak: yups;; natural disasters;; oil;; spills;; uranium swimming pools;; scarce ip numbers
wvdc: tapmka, yes the kuzbaz area :)
superfem: exerienced it there allready?
abroeck: yeah, sure, w, neither of us was able to make it to Lj for thtree days, and you'll take us away for a whole month next year
jaycee: disturbed?
wvdc was in 1990 in w-siberia
superfem going to take a drangl
jaycee: my bro's girlfriend doing significant work mapping poisons in transsiberian arctic
wvdc: a, gee, if one month isn't short enough ...
jaycee: whiff
abroeck: just thought what is haalbaar?
abroeck: we need somebody locally to arrange things
abroeck: w you got sb there?
patrice: And I am back but will go again. Since i see still no TWATs I'm going to bid my time & lay down a bit. But first, can anybody tell me how to log out properly (sorry for this)
wvdc virtual brother-in-law (biologist) goes to noto (north-of-tomsk) area now and then
wvdc: sb here ?
wvdc: nah
jaycee: P. just leave it online, no harm either way...
abroeck: maybe sb who does not start organising a big thing like this one month before?
patrice: ps Meldige gehorsamst: Ich binn Bloet!
wvdc: patrice, oh simply typ: /quit
jaanis: pull out the power -plug. its safe.
patrice: Ok, can i reduce the screen & go surfing (A: Yes!)
wvdc: p through the darn thing outta the window
jaycee: eeee. pulling plugs? not too cool sometimes, tho
jaanis: i.e. u will be disconnected;-)
tapmak: * I want to know more. I have been asked to provide "content" to a media project, sponsored by mega bucks oil money. They want to provide VR travel, while American tourist companies have rented rivers banning indigenous people access to fishing. I would like to access material on the net around these issues, if you have clues...
wvdc: through = throw
superfem back with her drink
jaycee: OIL money, you didn't confess THAT one to me T.
patrice: thanks w, i'll do so (& may be come back every now & then, OK?)
jaanis: .. wanted to be witty (about plugs)
wvdc: p sure,
wvdc: and don't ferget the other
wvdc: others
jaycee: Other
wvdc: allright
wvdc: other then :)
jaycee: ;)
abroeck: t, there was sth that maybe kathy knows about, a connection between canadian and siberian locals fighting against pollution and for landrights, etc
superfem: oil money for VR fishing?
tapmak: Finnish government funding, connected to oil deals, old bilateral style, mixture of oil fumes and Brezhnev´s ghost breath.
superfem: tapmak is the for a vr themepark?
jaycee: Bet it is Natural Gas Money...
tapmak: I need to ask Kathy...
abroeck: there are siberian links on Siberian Dealsite
wvdc: is kathy in oil 2 ?
superfem: ill ask her also
wvdc will search for some links in siberia
abroeck: yeah, t, what is this about?
superfem: yes what is it about - tell now
jaycee: I have seen some military maps with pollution tongues to and from the Military Industrial complexes of US USSR over the acrtic...
superfem: ohh
abroeck: helen sloan is doing sth about cernobyl, another most-favoured zone
tapmak: I have been asked to do work for a coalition that has lots of money but no clue what that "content" could be. Of course I will propose a scenario that would integrate vr tourism and the ecological, local politics. I am not sure yet what I will do.
wvdc: a how ... outdated
abroeck: w?
wvdc: i mean doing cernobyl
abroeck: VR tourism - are you serious?
jaycee: keep me posted T on that, good content source, though military info...
abroeck: w, i thought so ...
superfem: serious- survival camp for vr personae in pollution aerea?
superfem: are you in the army?
*** Signoff: ham (Leaving)
abroeck: helen is a bit funny about it, i guess shell-shocked is appropriate here
wvdc plans to go siberia in may 1998 anyway
superfem: wher you got he maps (which server topologically?9
wvdc: maybe just for slacking
superfem: sllackerserver
wvdc: yep
abroeck: w, we need a local organiser there, maybe sb who can work with you and alexei
superfem: so these are secretes of you t?
abroeck: moscow connection will be useful
abroeck: yes?
tapmak: "VR tourism" is a slogan that gives access to XXX $$$ due to the fringe of EU, arctic region, bla bla bla, but what it means is considering actual localities with communities. If I do it, I will do it with a Sami film director. "Tourism" is about virtually visiting the places. Old rhetoric, old money, new strategic content, perhaps.
wvdc: abroeck hmm yes
wvdc: i'll think about it
superfem: yes, can i book the first total Vr Recall?
jaycee: well, friends, I think I have to make a long walk to the location of my bed
superfem: like Site- Seeingtours in the net
jaycee: better pillow than keyboard
wvdc: tourism is line pelgrimage
jaycee: and so it goes
wvdc: line = like
abroeck: t, is VR here VCR?
jaycee: good night
superfem: nice dreams jayceee, ave
wvdc: ok jaycee
abroeck: night john
wvdc: 'nite
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