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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 28 06:10:38 2007
06:10:38 * Now talking on #share
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06:33:30 <jaceee> WHERE IS EVERYONE?
06:43:35 <jaceee> testing!
07:13:10 <share_bremen_2> Moin John!
07:14:13 * share_bremen_2 is now known as martin_share_bre
07:14:59 * martin_share_bre is now known as martin_bremen
07:15:34 <jaceee> moinmoin!
07:15:44 <jaceee> sorry, been multitasking
07:15:58 <jaceee> no one around yet
07:16:13 <jaceee> conference starts in 30 minutes, as far as I know
07:16:52 <jaceee> hey, Frieder got the fundig for me to do a workshop -- not sure when it will be, maybe July, maybe October
07:20:04 <martin_bremen> Great!
07:20:17 <martin_bremen> Where ar you now? In SF?
07:20:30 <jaceee> yes, SF
07:20:48 <jaceee> for the next weeks, still hunting for some work...
07:21:08 <martin_bremen> Ive been there last week, too.
07:21:32 <martin_bremen> When will you be in Europe next time?
07:21:35 <jaceee> how did it go? what were you doing?
07:21:55 <jaceee> not sure when I'll be back -- maybe as early as July, but probably later...
07:22:06 <martin_bremen> Ive been on the museums and the web conference to present some research stuff...
07:22:16 <jaceee> I interviewed for a teaching job in Sydney, will hear about that in a couple weeks...
07:22:35 <jaceee> will you come again to SF inthe next few months?
07:23:06 <martin_bremen> no, its too expencive, haha...
07:23:07 <martin_bremen> but i would like to...
07:23:33 <jaceee> although the EUR = 1.37 $$ which is a good deal!
07:24:01 <martin_bremen> thats true - it is not so bad
07:24:55 <martin_bremen> but actually i am preparing a couple of new projects and - of course - i am not paid for this!!!
07:25:21 <jaceee> oh yes, you are always working like that ;-))
07:25:30 <martin_bremen> but sysney would be good - eh?
07:25:46 <jaceee> yes, it was great being down there the last few weeks...
07:25:46 <martin_bremen> sydney
07:26:12 <martin_bremen> what have you done? some art work as well?
07:26:59 <jaceee> although the workshop I was scheduled to teach did not happen -- my host colleague did not do any organizing on the ground there -- no honorarium, no housing (his couch), and worst of all, NO STUDENTS!
07:26:59 <jaceee> I was supposed to teach
07:27:24 <martin_bremen> uh!
07:27:25 <jaceee> but instead just visited old and new network friends and artists that I knew
07:27:44 <martin_bremen> that sounds much better
07:27:47 <jaceee> and went to the beach a lot, which was nice -- it's an interesting place
07:28:24 <martin_bremen> ive never been there.
07:28:42 <jaceee> I would definitely take a job there if I got an offer...
07:28:59 <jaceee> even though it is FAR away from both Europe and the US
07:29:21 <jaceee> but only 14 hours from SF, so not terrible far...
07:30:28 <martin_bremen> yes, thats a pitty. but theire are all these very intersting mega-cities in south-east asia and of course the small islands, too!!! 7 hours to bangkok?
07:31:05 <martin_bremen> moin picnic
07:31:05 <jaceee> that's right, close to some really active places...
07:31:09 * picnic is now known as keiko_mit
07:31:25 <jaceee> good morning Keiko!
07:31:34 <martin_bremen> heyo keiko!
07:32:02 <keiko_mit> yooo everyone!
07:32:28 <keiko_mit> jacee you are john h?
07:32:57 <martin_bremen> Its going to start soon. Who is there from share at the MIT?
07:33:53 <jaceee> yes keiko
07:34:05 * jaceee sets mode -e jaceee
07:34:05 * You are now known as john_nomad
07:34:09 <john_nomad> there
07:34:28 <dan_winckler> hey guys
07:34:29 <john_nomad> nei Dan!
07:34:33 <john_nomad> hei
07:34:37 <dan_winckler> yo
07:34:48 <john_nomad> hai Vade!
07:34:50 * vade is now known as vade_mit
07:34:53 <vade_mit> yo yo
07:34:54 <vade_mit> :)
07:34:58 <vade_mit> "dawg"
07:35:05 <vade_mit> how is everyone doing?
07:35:19 <martin_bremen> hi dan! hi vade!
07:35:21 <john_nomad> hey. what's the deal with the share channel -- first arriver is not blessed with operator...
07:35:21 <martin_bremen> Ill need to pic up a coffee be back again in a sec...
07:35:44 <john_nomad> I'm fine, been idling here since 0600... 07:35:49 <john_nomad> SF-time
07:35:52 <vade_mit> yes, im not sure why that is john_nomad, ive noticed that too
07:35:56 <vade_mit> its a pain in the ass I agree
07:36:13 <vade_mit> hey brb
07:36:14 <john_nomad> dangerous in the case of a formal event, at least risky
07:36:54 <john_nomad> someone must have registered the channel, but who? need to get multiple regis
07:37:03 <vade> its uh
07:37:06 <vade> someone from share mtl
07:37:09 <vade> I forget whop
07:37:10 <vade> who
07:37:15 <john_nomad> ahah...
07:37:35 <john_nomad> maybe something to pursue long-term with them and freenode
07:37:44 <vade> perhaps
07:39:26 <john_nomad> yeah. the chan I registered gave me ops, it's more comfortable for formal events, 'cause there are still folks out there who will intervene occasionally on a channel
07:40:01 <john_nomad> so, will we get any remote stream of audio from you folks in MIT?
07:40:18 <dan_winckler> yes, and video
07:40:20 <dan_winckler> it's coming
07:40:24 <john_nomad> oh, good...
07:40:27 <john_nomad> QT?
07:40:40 <john_nomad> excellent!
07:40:46 <dan_winckler> yes
07:41:01 <john_nomad> I'm surprised that the whole conf isn't streamed -- it should be!
07:42:44 <john_nomad> vade -- are you in Beantown too?
07:43:08 <vade> yessir
07:44:22 <john_nomad> I used to hang at MIT in past ages -- my dad did research there when I was a kid... nice campus!
07:44:23 <dan_winckler> rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit.sdp
07:44:54 <john_nomad> looks fine!
07:45:12 <john_nomad> got an idmi mixer ;-)
07:45:25 <john_nomad> will the chat be projected?
07:46:28 <john_nomad> do these folks know they are streamed ? ;-)))
07:47:03 <john_nomad> that's a huge theater!
07:47:11 <vade> yeah it looks good
07:47:12 <john_nomad> hallo hand!
07:47:37 <vade> that was me :)
07:47:39 <vade> hehe
07:48:14 <john_nomad> hey, where's everybody -- it's 1048!
07:48:37 <martin_bremen> i just see two...
07:48:44 <martin_bremen> 3
07:48:45 <john_nomad> btw, no audio, tho...
07:50:07 <john_nomad> too many heavy-weights at parallel sessions...
07:50:53 <vade> shit
07:50:58 <vade> we had to rename the stream
07:51:15 <vade> john_nomad: rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
07:52:02 <vade> may have to re-do it again
07:52:07 <martin_bremen> ok
07:52:07 <john_nomad> no prob, got it...
07:52:16 <john_nomad> no audio, tho
07:52:34 <john_nomad> 4 people, whups, one left..
07:52:54 <john_nomad> got the sudio...
07:52:57 <john_nomad> audio
07:53:05 <martin_bremen> sound, good!
07:53:12 <vade> yeah its low, we're figuring it out
07:53:12 <john_nomad> mix a little hotter, tho...
07:53:14 <vade> give us a few
07:53:17 <john_nomad> k
07:53:17 <vade> yeah, we will :)
07:53:24 <vade> we arent totally useless :)
07:53:49 <john_nomad> looks professional to me!
07:54:41 <keiko_mit> hey is micha here?
07:54:46 <john_nomad> rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
07:54:47 <keiko_mit> i see his name on ichat
07:56:21 <vade> there we go
07:56:38 <vade> audio
07:57:28 <john_nomad> should I talk into the mike? ;-)
07:58:11 <vade> :P
07:58:52 <john_nomad> tap tap tap. testing 1-2-3
07:59:35 <john_nomad> whoa, dizzy
08:00:01 <martin_bremen> is this still you, john? tap tap tap?
08:00:12 <john_nomad> no audio...
08:00:22 <john_nomad> jep...
08:01:03 <john_nomad> dang...
08:01:09 <dan_winckler> is there audio now?
08:01:16 <martin_bremen> no
08:01:21 <john_nomad> no
08:02:35 <john_nomad> illustrates how techno-utopia is still quite some distance into the deep future... ;-))
08:02:52 <john_nomad> okay, sound
08:03:12 <dan_winckler> good
08:03:15 <dan_winckler> level ok?
08:03:16 <dan_winckler> distorted?
08:03:30 <john_nomad> you can mix maybe 10 db higher
08:03:42 <john_nomad> oh, okay, better
08:04:00 <john_nomad> there is a delay between visual and audio
08:04:02 <dan_winckler> good now?
08:04:24 <john_nomad> no audio from the speakers mike, tho...
08:04:37 <john_nomad> I see him talking, but...
08:04:47 <dan_winckler> yes, we're getting the audio from one mic and the video from a webcam
08:04:50 <martin_bremen> the visual isnt as important than the audio.
08:04:55 <martin_bremen> may be you can rise the audio-quality?
08:04:56 <dan_winckler> audio sound good?
08:04:57 <john_nomad> no audio from his speaking...
08:05:13 <martin_bremen> hard to understand
08:05:24 <john_nomad> just heard about moving video around...
08:05:32 <john_nomad> thanks for the mike in the face...
08:05:53 <john_nomad> vade, that's you now, right?
08:05:57 <vade> no
08:06:10 <dan_winckler> the guy with the little beard is geoff
08:06:11 <john_nomad> who's that... sorry, no f2f recognition...
08:06:13 <dan_winckler> aka lance blisters
08:06:15 <john_nomad> ah, okay
08:06:18 <dan_winckler> now vade.
08:06:40 <john_nomad> about a 8 sec delay..
08:06:52 <martin_bremen> yes
08:06:56 <john_nomad> yes, distorted a bit when you talk loud
08:07:02 <john_nomad> hi dan
08:07:24 <john_nomad> dan you look like you are saying something important
08:07:33 <dan_winckler> oh yeah.
08:07:39 <dan_winckler> it was brilliant -- hoep you could hear it
08:07:48 <john_nomad> getting a lot of ambient voices
08:08:06 <john_nomad> oh, a round table of folks -- more panel than audience...!
08:08:36 <john_nomad> yes, let's be on...
08:08:53 <john_nomad> about a 8 sec delay between visual and sound.. but okay
08:10:09 <john_nomad> yes mentality...
08:10:13 <dan_winckler> yeah the room isn't ideal for a real roundtable
08:10:15 <dan_winckler> a shame
08:10:25 <john_nomad> unbolt the chairs...
08:10:46 <john_nomad> from the floor ... alter the space... ;-)
08:11:13 <dan_winckler> we don't have your engineering skillz, john ;)
08:12:16 <john_nomad> gesundheit...
08:13:56 <john_nomad> HUGE delay -- 30 sec or more, hmmm
08:14:39 <dan_winckler> we just patched the PA mix into the stream mix -- should be getting more audio now
08:14:50 <john_nomad> distributed creativity platform
08:15:11 <dan_winckler> can you still hear it?
08:15:30 <john_nomad> network of networkers with similar interests of collaborative happening
08:15:38 <john_nomad> yes, audio is good now
08:15:52 <john_nomad> (hear a male voice, see Keiko talking
08:15:55 <dan_winckler> still a big delay?
08:16:00 <dan_winckler> hmmmmm...
08:16:01 <john_nomad> a little odd
08:16:09 <john_nomad> but okay...
08:16:49 <john_nomad> Yes, hallo from Share _Nomad currently in SF...
08:16:55 <john_nomad> distributed...
08:17:04 * vade is now known as vade_mit
08:17:45 <john_nomad> is that MH speaking?
08:18:40 <dan_winckler> i'm going to take down the stream for a second to see if i can kill the latency
08:18:56 <john_nomad> share is about F2F and remote connection
08:18:58 <john_nomad> okay
08:19:33 <dan_winckler> stream back up, please refresh it
08:19:45 <john_nomad> puzzling the huge audio vs vid latentcy...
08:20:19 <dan_winckler> yeah, wanna google it? :?
08:20:38 <john_nomad> okay, seems better now...
08:21:03 <john_nomad> actually very good now, though the audio quality went down
08:21:10 <john_nomad> yes good sync
08:21:19 <dan_winckler> down? i increased the sample rate...
08:21:27 <john_nomad> but can barely hear with a hum/static...
08:22:09 <john_nomad> maybe have someone with a laptop tune into the signal there to to a Q check...
08:22:35 <john_nomad> it might be the mixer...
08:22:42 <dan_winckler> crap.
08:22:54 <martin_bremen> a/v is better synchronized, now. but i cant understand anything...
08:23:01 <john_nomad> I'll reconnect
08:23:33 <john_nomad> nope, same low level w/ heavy ground noise...
08:23:46 <john_nomad> vocals are almost impossible to understand...
08:24:07 <john_nomad> we have no triple redundant military systems in place.
08:24:16 <john_nomad> we work with available technologies
08:24:46 <john_nomad> (pleeze move starbucks cup from in front of cam...
08:24:56 <john_nomad> thnx
08:25:45 <jim_mtl> hi folks
08:25:46 <dan_winckler> refresh the stream
08:25:56 <dan_winckler> i upped the settings again
08:26:04 <john_nomad> k
08:26:31 <keiko_mit> john, do you have anything to say?
08:26:31 <john_nomad> goot sync, but still heavy noise
08:26:40 <john_nomad> Hey MH!
08:26:40 <john_nomad> hey MH
08:26:40 <keiko_mit> besides the static
08:27:13 <dan_winckler> speak and i will speak for you.... :)
08:27:22 <dan_winckler> less noise now? i unplugged my power
08:27:26 <john_nomad> utopia is found in human-to-human connection -- making the technology subject to human needs...
08:28:00 <john_nomad> though I still can barely hear you. I know you are there...
08:28:25 <john_nomad> and presence is critical to project across these mediating distances
08:28:36 <martin_bremen> ...still heavy noise....
08:28:38 <martin_bremen> but the voices are better to understand...
08:30:27 <john_nomad> I do forsee there will be more critical growing pains as the size of the network increases....
08:31:15 <john_nomad> low-key is critical -- staying outside the pervue of mainstream media -- keeping it local, relevant, and personal
08:31:37 <john_nomad> sound better, less noiz, still faint, tho
08:32:06 * muse is now known as i8u
08:32:12 <john_nomad> hei katlib!
08:32:27 <john_nomad> stream is at rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
08:32:29 <katlib> hey there
08:33:14 <john_nomad> in a way, the particular mediative tools we are using is secondary to the human connection and community 08:33:20 <katlib> thanks
08:35:10 <john_nomad> yes, we should focus on share rather than copyright...
08:35:23 <john_nomad> UFF, the audio is totally static ridden...
08:35:40 <john_nomad> almost impossible...
08:35:51 <john_nomad> better, too hot
08:35:57 <john_nomad> bring down a bit
08:36:10 <john_nomad> perfect !
08:36:17 <john_nomad> hold it there
08:37:02 <drk_wi> hi, from germany
08:37:27 <dan_winckler> hi dirk.
08:37:35 <john_nomad> hmmm, maybe to move beyond the copyright issue. this is not core to share...
08:37:42 <vade_mit> agreed
08:37:50 <dan_winckler> stream from the conference is: rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
08:37:50 <dan_winckler> [11:32am] katlib: hey there
08:38:14 <john_nomad> we create our own content and share it...
08:39:22 <john_nomad> creative action creating content in a community basis is key
08:40:06 <john_nomad> where audience/creator/participant boundaries are imploded, folded
08:40:40 <john_nomad> best to leave those issues behind, and forge ahead a new path and praxis 08:40:50 <john_nomad> this is share, a froging ahead
08:41:05 <john_nomad> yes, the media I use is all self-created
08:41:22 <john_nomad> as well
08:41:54 <john_nomad> yes open human is our source
08:42:30 <john_nomad> not particularly -- muchis sonic art
08:42:56 <john_nomad> multi-task communications
08:43:19 <john_nomad> visual-sonic extended cinema
08:44:03 <john_nomad> and PD
08:44:31 <john_nomad> performative video is one aspect...
08:45:16 <john_nomad> but inthe end it is NOT the particular medium of mediation, distributed creativity is not about the material manifestation
08:45:33 <john_nomad> it is about the collaborative situation / happening
08:45:51 <john_nomad> not about the particular material outcome...
08:46:12 * drk_wi is now known as drk_wi_frankfurt
08:46:26 <john_nomad> conventional materialism literally cannot circumscribe the dynamic situation that we would wish to re-present here...
08:47:36 <john_nomad> output is also us here now...!
08:47:57 <john_nomad> in collaborative defining of who we are ... NOW!
08:48:22 <john_nomad> improvisation!
08:48:41 <john_nomad> fluid anti or non-definition
08:48:53 <john_nomad> (questioner needs mike)
08:49:31 <john_nomad> sharing!
08:49:43 <john_nomad> audience brought into creative process...
08:50:05 <john_nomad> crack that barrier...
08:50:38 <john_nomad> teaching, playing, communal learning
08:51:22 <john_nomad> nice discussion going on -- great to create a share here!
08:52:16 <john_nomad> Is there a particular mentality of share members?
08:53:05 <john_nomad> I remix my own material...
08:53:59 <john_nomad> curious how copy right comes up when for us it is not an issue...
08:54:29 <jim_mtl> I think it is an issue for some
08:54:47 <john_nomad> please restate questioner...
08:55:09 <dan_winckler> the question was: does fear of the repercussions of copyright affect your work?
08:56:00 <john_nomad> I fear no arbitrary social constructsat all
08:57:34 <dan_winckler> nor i.
08:58:18 <john_nomad> plz keep mike at least 4 inches from mouth...
08:58:27 <john_nomad> maybe 6...
08:58:49 <martin_bremen> there is a short break in the audio-stream every three seconds...
08:59:04 <dan_winckler> is it peaking?
08:59:08 <john_nomad> that's from the mike being too close -- it's saturating the signal
08:59:14 <john_nomad> yup...
08:59:38 <john_nomad> playing is the process of learning through making mistakes
09:00:09 <martin_bremen> not enough bandwidth? may give less on the video?
09:01:04 <john_nomad> that may be a local bandwidth issue for you folks...?
09:02:38 <dan_winckler> i can drop the video badwidth if you like
09:03:05 <john_nomad> I'm afraid for stopping the signal now, when it is working well ... ??
09:03:26 <john_nomad> martin -- can you hear the audio good enough?
09:03:38 <martin_bremen> no, sorry
09:04:03 <john_nomad> well, Dan, if you want... cross fingers..
09:04:12 <dan_winckler> hmmm
09:04:13 <dan_winckler> ok
09:04:14 <martin_bremen> there is a short break in the audio-stream every three seconds...
09:04:42 <martin_bremen> ill cross fingers, too
09:05:10 <john_nomad> got it now...
09:05:32 <john_nomad> no audio at all now...
09:05:43 <john_nomad> video but no audio...
09:05:56 <john_nomad> I think it's a physical connection or something
09:06:09 <john_nomad> I see Keiko nodding her head...
09:06:31 <john_nomad> still no audio...
09:07:23 <john_nomad> (interesting to note that the proceedings of this discussion is being recorded on camera by the guy at the side of the suditorium, is he getting model releases?
09:07:34 <dan_winckler> :P that's elsa.
09:07:43 <dan_winckler> i just checked the stream and the audio is working
09:07:49 <dan_winckler> on a separate machine.
09:07:50 <john_nomad> whups, sorry, it's lorez
09:07:51 <dan_winckler> so....
09:07:53 <dan_winckler> restart your stream?
09:08:13 <john_nomad> okay, got it...
09:08:32 <john_nomad> shit, it stops right after connecting, the audio...
09:08:40 <martin_bremen> ah, much better audio. plz keep mike at least some inches from mouth...,
09:08:41 <dan_winckler> hmmm
09:09:02 <john_nomad> the bit rate is 800 kps double what it was before...
09:09:11 <martin_bremen> perfect audio
09:09:27 <john_nomad> need to drop fps to say 5 and drop audio to 22 khz maybe or even 11 khz
09:09:27 <dan_winckler> hrm
09:09:33 <dan_winckler> k
09:09:43 <john_nomad> sheesh, I don't get it at all...
09:10:14 <drk_frankfurt> sorry, im at ffm_museum without qt_stream
09:10:38 <dan_winckler> ok, restart your streams
09:10:57 <john_nomad> okay, seems fine now...
09:11:00 <john_nomad> thnx
09:11:07 <dan_winckler> np
09:11:11 <dan_winckler> sorry for the issues
09:11:12 <martin_bremen> still very clear audio, thanks
09:11:41 <john_nomad> it is a creative practice -- full-spectrum way-of-going -- way of living...
09:11:46 <john_nomad> yup
09:12:05 <dan_winckler> welcome bigwus, aka Michael Liegl, a sociologist from [a German university whose name i can't recall]
09:12:10 <john_nomad> ifor most it isn't technology-based
09:12:35 <dan_winckler> btw, this text is visible to the audience on projection
09:13:26 <john_nomad> think of the dorkbot model -- no central organization, just a core idea, not a core institutional structure
09:13:33 <dan_winckler> so feel free to share your thoughts here -- even if they don't get spoken by the moderator they'll be seen.
09:13:51 <john_nomad> wrestling for the mike...
09:13:52 <martin_bremen> in the share.bremen community, some people come together once o week, just for to read and discuss scientifc stuff
09:15:09 <john_nomad> right Martin -- again, it's about community, not the tech -- it's funny how the tech always tends to obscure the core values...
09:15:24 <john_nomad> well, not funny, rather frustrating and annoying...
09:16:43 <dan_winckler> fyi, we have a 45 minute break starting soon
09:16:51 <dan_winckler> we'll leave the stream up
09:17:01 <john_nomad> I'm gonna play Michael Jackson Thriller next time I stream into the share mix... :-\
09:17:03 <dan_winckler> so you can enjoy the empty chairs
09:17:05 <dan_winckler> :D
09:17:08 <john_nomad> k
09:17:38 <martin_bremen> share in bremen means, sharing ideas, not using a computer. but of course we see computers as a digital media, we use as something that is now a part of our cultural environment. we may produce something with it or may be not...
09:18:09 <john_nomad> the re-convene will be when? 1200 gmt+5
09:18:25 <john_nomad> who feedback, nice audio mix folks!
09:18:37 <dan_winckler> er, the break is an hour and 15 min
09:18:44 <dan_winckler> that was keiko feeding back ;)
09:18:47 <martin_bremen> ok
09:18:52 <john_nomad> whoa, turn off the stream feed --
09:18:52 <bigwus_> hehe. awesome
09:19:05 <john_nomad> http://share.dj/
09:19:22 <dan_winckler> reconvening at 13:30 GMT-5
09:19:28 <john_nomad> thnx
09:19:33 <martin_bremen> CU
09:19:38 <john_nomad> yes, please call y=our lawyers first...
09:19:46 <dan_winckler> :P
09:20:02 <john_nomad> bon appetit!!!
09:20:14 <john_nomad> we will do a jam on things
09:20:51 <john_nomad> see you in an hour...
09:21:02 <john_nomad> quick, call security!
09:21:28 <john_nomad> ever see videodrome? we'll snag those laptops via the stream...
09:21:48 <john_nomad> can I order vegetarian delivered?
09:23:36 <drk_frankfurt> great sitting at museum_of histor of communication, in frankfurt @ a global exhibition ; ) without any stream app :-( ... see you in an hour.
09:24:23 <drk_frankfurt> hey micha, wie gehts dir??
10:07:02 <john_nomad> hope you had a nice lunch!
10:08:23 <john_nomad> *burp*
10:09:06 <john_nomad> BLESS YOU!!
10:10:54 <john_nomad> free bird?
10:20:36 <dan_winckler> yes, good lunch was had.
10:20:39 <dan_winckler> and we are back
10:21:12 <john_nomad> me too, breakfast...
10:22:20 <john_nomad> he should re-connect...
10:22:28 <john_nomad> it's quite good signal now...
10:22:36 <john_nomad> ouch my ears!
10:23:07 <john_nomad> I'm getting 370 kps now...
10:24:05 <dan_winckler> ouch? audio problems?
10:24:29 <john_nomad> somebody talked into the mike real loud!
10:25:02 <dan_winckler> oh.
10:25:05 <john_nomad> hmm, can you move the camera, I thinkk the vid stopped again...
10:25:07 <dan_winckler> sorry
10:25:19 <dan_winckler> moved it.
10:25:21 <dan_winckler> work?
10:25:25 <john_nomad> no prob, just happy I didn't have my headphones on...
10:25:39 <john_nomad> hmm, vid is not changing here....
10:25:47 <dan_winckler> try reloading it
10:26:11 <john_nomad> I thik it's still to high bandwidth (I'm on dsl
10:26:32 <john_nomad> when I reload, only a few pixels will show up of the vid...
10:26:40 <john_nomad> audio is perfect, though
10:27:43 <john_nomad> whups, I went to "poster frame" in qt "view" menu, now video is fine...
10:27:49 <john_nomad> really weird
10:28:09 <keiko_mit> back
10:28:19 <john_nomad> hey dear!
10:28:23 <dan_winckler> ok, i'll drop the video bandwidth
10:28:25 <john_nomad> 'wave'
10:29:28 * muse is now known as i8u
10:29:38 <john_nomad> k, vid seems good now...
10:29:54 <john_nomad> funny how touchy it has been
10:30:16 <dan_winckler> yeah.
10:30:19 <dan_winckler> i blame you :P
10:30:25 <dan_winckler> touch of the nomad.
10:30:26 <john_nomad> hahaha...
10:30:45 <martin_bremen_> hi there...
10:30:50 * Gast31 is now known as drk_wi_frankfurt
10:30:59 <john_nomad> oh, man, sometimes I feel like this stuff is SO unreliable, even after all these years of using it...
10:30:59 <drk_wi_frankfurt> hi back
10:31:08 <john_nomad> or STILL...
10:31:23 <john_nomad> yeah, gotta admit, TECHNOLOGY FAILS
10:31:34 <martin_bremen_> NEVER!
10:31:43 <john_nomad> oh yeah?
10:31:56 <martin_bremen_> HEHE
10:32:27 <john_nomad> I'll buy you 5 beers next time in Bremen if we don't have any tech probs in the next 90 minutes...
10:33:20 <drk_wi_frankfurt> hi there, could you please repeat the qt_url / thnx.
10:33:20 <john_nomad> we should have scheduled the second half as a jam session..
10:33:22 <martin_bremen_> Cool
10:33:26 <john_nomad> rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
10:33:33 <drk_wi_frankfurt> thnx.
10:34:02 <john_nomad> instead of talking about doing, that we simply DO
10:34:26 <martin_bremen_> Ill drink 5 beers in the next 90 minutes if there will be any tech probs again ...
10:35:01 <john_nomad> hahaha! I'll drink to that!
10:35:25 <john_nomad> let's share that beer...!
10:35:37 <dan_winckler> yes, i agree -- a jam would be nice.
10:35:49 <martin_bremen_> of course!!!
10:36:04 <john_nomad> panel chair's gotta start ringing the start bell...
10:36:39 <john_nomad> say, maybe we could go around before we start and have introductions... with cam...
10:37:02 <katlib> hello everybody - MH hear on Katlib
10:37:47 <john_nomad> je suis un voyeur, mes amies...
10:39:19 <john_nomad> camera!
10:39:25 <vade> camera!
10:39:27 <john_nomad> on speaker...
10:40:01 <john_nomad> CAMERA ON SPEAKER PLZ!
10:40:06 <john_nomad> thnx
10:40:10 <dan_winckler> done
10:40:34 <john_nomad> happy accident...
10:41:29 <john_nomad> welcome Morgan!
10:41:39 <john_nomad> who is speaker?
10:41:46 <morgansully> thanks! i actually thought this was happening yesterday and thought i missed it!
10:41:48 <john_nomad> stream is at rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp Morgan
10:42:41 <john_nomad> this is the second half of the panel, Morgan..
10:42:51 <morgansully> cheers!
10:42:59 <dan_winckler> welcome, morgan
10:43:11 <dan_winckler> fyi, this discussion is being projected in the conference room
10:43:28 <dan_winckler> and we can relay your questions and comments out loud, too
10:43:54 <john_nomad> so, Jim is involved with share and drinking like Martin and I...
10:43:59 <morgansully> cool
10:44:14 <morgansully> thanks dan
10:44:26 <jim_mtl> they seem to go wel together!
10:44:33 <jim_mtl> well
10:44:39 <john_nomad> yup ;-))
10:46:22 <morgansully> yay elsa!
10:46:31 <drk_wi_frankfurt> ; )
10:47:09 <morgansully> hi everyone
10:47:30 <keiko_mit> my finder is not acting well now.
10:47:34 <keiko_mit> i'm restarting.
10:47:49 <john_nomad> JOhn Hopkins https://neoscenes.net, as share_nomad node -- with almost 2 decades of networking work, share showed up on my radar in 2003 or so, when I was working with Josephine Dorado on some streamed collab...
10:49:16 <dan_winckler> everyone, please introduce yourself like john did :)
10:50:00 <morgansully> Share came to me as a way to connect people in my community (San Diego). Had always had an interest in electronic music and thought Share provided a perfect way to build a comunity around it
10:50:28 <drk_wi_frankfurt> closer to mic please!
10:51:10 <martin_bremen> My name is Martin.
10:51:11 <martin_bremen> Working at University in the media dep. and for the Fraunhofer eCulture Factory.
10:51:13 <martin_bremen> I am one of the founders of share.bremen ...working as media artist and filmmaker for nearly 15 years. I heard from share in it beginnings, when I met John Hopkins in Bremen and on several online-media-art events. Over European media art networks i get in touch with Eric Redlinger. After beeing at share.nyc for several times we discussed to get a part of the network idea and to share it...
10:51:22 <dan_winckler> is the audio better, dirk?
10:51:34 <morgansully> audio is good here
10:52:22 <morgansully> share knowledge
10:52:29 <morgansully> provide an alternative space/forum
10:52:33 <john_nomad> audio is good here.. just a bit sensitive with mike distance from mouth -- optimal would be about 6 inches away...
10:52:49 <picnic_> eh.. what was the command for changing name?
10:53:17 <jim_mtl> slash nick
10:53:24 <morgansully> yes, yes. community - i agree
10:53:24 * picnic_ is now known as keiko_mit
10:53:30 <keiko_mit> thank you
10:53:38 <john_nomad> "/nick new name"
10:54:05 <morgansully> turn people on to new things
10:56:50 <morgansully> share provided a home and brought people 'out of their shells'. the general attitude towards the new, the experimental is not too nrturing here in san diego
10:57:39 <drk_wi_frankfurt> share_wiesbaden starts with featuring interactive projects, in front of television & fluxus history, most students here working and study interactiv devices or media & broadcasting, so it was a kind of next step to 'share' those projects for realtime involving ideas & people with technology like to 'share global' & (re-)start global collaboration 44 years later, since fluxus is lost in wiesbaden / today: in front of 'friends-of-tracking-data(.o
10:57:39 <drk_wi_frankfurt> rg)'
11:00:05 <morgansully> thanks for reading us!
11:00:27 <dan_winckler> np :)
11:01:04 <drk_wi_frankfurt> thnx, too. ; )
11:01:18 <john_nomad> I've used networks as the site of my work, and human networking as the medium of my work for more than 20 years -- creating and facilitating events and happenings as artist and educator... share is one extension of that global practice -- because the mentality is one which 'naturally' understands some of those ground principles of distributive creative action... so, like putting on a comfortable shoe ;-) I've been a nomadic
11:01:18 <john_nomad> visual/sonic practioner for many years, and so, became a nomadic node with share -- and trying to cross-connect this network with other networks that I participate in -- so far in the last year I've visited f2f with share ny, share bremen, share san diego... I like to focus on the network aspect -- focusing my attention on remote nodes to give some collective aspects despite the heavy mediation via global telecom networks, m
11:01:18 <john_nomad> ake the connection Happen!
11:03:21 <john_nomad> not a new form -- it has precursors in Fluxus activities and anti-structures, and, for example, the post- or mail-art network where distributed creativity took place...
11:04:59 <martin_bremen> the share.bremen community came out of an scene of visual artists, vjs and media scientists.
11:05:02 <martin_bremen> we have been involved in several real-time-mixed-media events for a long time.
11:05:02 <martin_bremen> the idea of share for us is strongly on the collobarative aspect. doing things together is a sort of work-practice in science. if you work in this way in the art-field, the sort of art will change. the art-work will be different.
11:07:26 <drk_wi_frankfurt> right keiko!
11:08:13 <morgansully> we are more community service oriented for sure - providing a space for artists in SD
11:09:20 <morgansully> it's sometimes tricky though - not having a hiearchy - people keep looking for a curator - i try and sidestep this by inroducingmyself alongside the other 'co-founders' 9which is pretty much anyone who shows up and 'gets' it
11:09:56 <drk_wi_frankfurt> yes, mainly for research & to find new ideas! ( i.e. devices for controlling sound, grafics .. as an external and free / non commercial network-Lab! )
11:10:22 <martin_bremen> yes.
11:12:26 <drk_wi_frankfurt> )
11:12:43 <morgansully> there w as fellow named George Lewis (teaches at Columbia) who was saying that this notion of improvisation is the new 'movement towards' so to speak
11:12:55 <morgansully> (i got to chat with him yesterday at a Festival here)
11:13:01 <morgansully> *in SD
11:13:16 <dan_winckler> he's written at least one good essay on improvisation -- i can't remember the name but it's online
11:13:38 <john_nomad> but I think is right -- I'd rather be someone who is doing something rather than one who is looking for thenext big thing...
11:13:42 <morgansully> he's a cool cat
11:14:12 <john_nomad> yup trendiness is totally bogus -- and even is ignorant of historical precedence...
11:14:12 <morgansully> is about process
11:14:13 <morgansully> yes
11:14:27 <drk_wi_frankfurt> and it user-generated ..
11:15:20 <morgansully> agreed
11:16:19 <john_nomad> process or even further, a praxis/practice...
11:16:20 <morgansully> i wanted to be really sensitive to the particular character/vibe of our community in SD. Share is great idea, though i think the nuances of each particular node definitely shift it a bit
11:16:32 <john_nomad> yup
11:16:57 <morgansully> i get what the concerns are
11:17:15 <morgansully> same thing happened with me and my first underground rave experiences
11:17:30 <john_nomad> the 'right' way is about dynamic, changing, fluid, evolving, rather than a reified institutional, etc etc...
11:18:43 <morgansully> :(
11:19:35 <morgansully> (in response to other events in other countries with nothing coming out of it after the share event)
11:20:08 <john_nomad> right..
11:20:51 <morgansully> community is built in the process. sitting around, just communicating
11:21:13 <john_nomad> yup, spending face-time together
11:21:14 <morgansully> louder please
11:21:48 <morgansully> creating the infrastructure for themselves is a very powerful things for a community
11:22:51 <drk_wi_frankfurt> also interesting: late 60ties in nyc & chicago were a lot videoartists too / may it like laptops changed to handle video 2000-2001 like audio / and in 1969 audioprocessing has changed into videoprocessing like moog with video and others .. in that time, similar youtube opened a logical step in our 'today happened' technology evolution, like the 'share-button' at youtube, but as a physical! community.. to share creativity, ideas & technology..
11:23:01 <john_nomad> well, that's because there exists ultural patrimony inEurope, so there is an expectation that there should be funding for sultural projects...
11:23:13 <john_nomad> cultural, sorry
11:24:26 <morgansully> louder please
11:24:50 <john_nomad> levels show normal -- can you turn your local volume up, Morgan?
11:25:17 <john_nomad> it's that when people aren't holding the mikes at an equal distance, though, too...
11:25:17 <morgansully> yeah, mic was just distant for a sec
11:25:19 <drk_wi_frankfurt> yeah kat!
11:25:53 <john_nomad> gotta use the mike. folks!
11:25:54 <martin_bremen> we are reading books and discuss them weekly at share.bremen...
11:26:11 <morgansully> wow - that's neat having the book discussion at bremen!
11:26:30 <john_nomad> yeah, very nice feature... idea...
11:26:45 <drk_wi_frankfurt> mh: to see each other! = very important, too.
11:27:10 <john_nomad> curating is cultural determinism...
11:27:25 <morgansully> share in sd provides a forum for performance as well. we sometimes see it a as a testing bed before people branch out into their own projects
11:27:35 <drk_wi_frankfurt> yes, to let it grow..
11:27:40 <john_nomad> fine to be in contadiction.... it's dynamic...
11:28:57 <john_nomad> it's okay, also, for something to exist for awhile, and then it can pass away...
11:29:30 <john_nomad> it's terrible for an idea to be kept alive when it has reached its logical end...
11:30:07 <morgansully> open source involves developing a product (which is ALWAYS evolving) amongst a community. code, patterns, ideas are copied and remixed and in the process, a community is built. by keeping it open for us, and allowing the artistic identities of our community develop, it's diversity adds to the general overall health of our ecology here
11:31:06 <morgansully> YAY KOOSIL!!!!
11:31:12 <morgansully> KUDOS!
11:31:20 <morgansully> beautifully put
11:32:08 <john_nomad> it is exactly this kind of impulse Koosil -- the Temporary Autonomous Zone -- interstitial zones which are free of capitalist hierarchies
11:32:20 <vade> hah
11:32:20 <morgansully> Hakm Bey rockin!
11:32:37 <john_nomad> in the Zone!
11:32:55 <morgansully> show and tell! - agreed. we always ask questions afterwards
11:33:05 <morgansully> and give feedback
11:34:05 <morgansully> agreed with MH
11:34:22 <morgansully> i've sometimes acted as MC during the solo sets
11:34:34 <aalex> hi. I am sit in the room :)
11:34:42 <john_nomad> hi ALex..
11:35:04 <john_nomad> any questions? comments? -- this way you don't need the mike!
11:35:16 <morgansully> hello?
11:35:16 <john_nomad> whups audio stopped!
11:35:25 <morgansully> video stopped too
11:35:26 <aalex> I took part in a few share in Montreal.
11:35:30 <john_nomad> net-hiccup!
11:35:36 <morgansully> k, its back now
11:35:41 <drk_wi_frankfurt> feature to open a space for, but the content should be free ! / so, in wiesb we never talk into how to play.. i.e. / it always free !
11:35:48 <john_nomad> oh, so are you from Mon'real then?
11:36:30 <martin_bremen> right. "to break the ice" is a must. e.g. we did workshops for newcommers
11:36:31 <drk_wi_frankfurt> mh: pl closer to mic!!!
11:36:57 <aalex> I am totally pro free software... I feel like most conference I attended to this week end are somewhat pro-open source too, but people are not radical enough... ;) They want to keep their mac. If we are not radical, we will always be dependents of commercial structures in place. :-P
11:37:14 <morgansully> mmhmm, i agree with Vade
11:37:16 <john_nomad> that's right ALex..
11:37:34 <morgansully> it's tricky to subvert that relationship between organizers and participants
11:37:42 <morgansully> i try and go back and forth as much as possible
11:37:59 <aalex> yes. between "artist" and the rest
11:38:16 <martin_bremen> still no a/v stream
11:38:26 <john_nomad> Alex. maybe, as a sometime Share Montreal person you could comment on how you see the 'structure'...
11:38:56 <john_nomad> there was a net hiccup Martin -- try re-opneing the stream...
11:39:03 <morgansully> ho's speaking now?
11:39:08 <morgansully> *who's
11:39:17 <aalex> john_nomad, I don't know it enough yet. I put more time into other "structures"
11:39:38 <john_nomad> yeah, right alex... was just surious...
11:39:48 <john_nomad> curious
11:39:51 <martin_bremen> still nothing...
11:39:53 <martin_bremen> you get the stream?
11:40:01 <morgansully> we have a few literary folks in SD
11:40:18 <aalex> john_nomad, what "structure" ? the global share?
11:40:28 <john_nomad> an example of collaborative writing -- the IRC space is a critical aspect of live share events...
11:40:48 <john_nomad> no, alex, just you local experience of the whole idea
11:40:56 <vade> this was handed out : http://collection.eliterature.org/
11:41:01 <aalex> gobby is nice too
11:41:07 <aalex> as a collb text editor
11:41:09 <vade> regarding literature
11:41:37 <john_nomad> I've used IRC as a live collab platform for years...
11:42:07 <john_nomad> need a mike !
11:42:43 <morgansully> which share is keikoe talking about?
11:42:51 <jim_mtl> stavenger
11:42:54 <morgansully> mmm
11:43:03 <dan_winckler> *stavanger
11:43:15 <dan_winckler> btw, their website is down -- the link at share.dj doesn't work
11:43:17 <dan_winckler> .
11:43:26 <morgansully> cheers
11:44:39 <jaceee> sorry Alex, I'm not on with my registered nick, can't repspond private...
11:44:46 <aalex> ok
11:45:00 <jaceee> but, yeah, understood...
11:45:04 <jaceee> good point..
11:45:07 <morgansully> i think the face-to-face is the 'need' just mentioned
11:45:24 <morgansully> *f2f contact
11:45:26 <jaceee> human connection is a critical issue in contemporary life...
11:45:27 <drk_wi_frankfurt> yes!
11:45:30 <aalex> yeah, very important is the group/collective face-to-face
11:45:37 <aalex> f2f : aha
11:45:54 <jaceee> which is under hostile attack from globalization impulses
11:45:58 <morgansully> Bob Moog talks a little bit about it in that Han Fjellstad documentary
11:46:08 <aalex> yeah, all this big thing around the internet. of course it speeds up connections...
11:46:15 <morgansully> face to face music making
11:46:21 <aalex> well, I am always in IRC + wikis etc...
11:46:36 <jaceee> I talk about these issues at http://www.neoscenes.net/hyper-text/text/pixel.html
11:46:42 <aalex> yeah, I have done a few netpd performances, but f2f jam is better !!
11:46:46 <jaceee> article I just finished for Pixelache...
11:47:29 <drk_wi_frankfurt> ya f2f was in berlin one very important thing, too. 2 see each other first time..
11:47:40 <john_nomad> so it goes...
11:47:59 <drk_wi_frankfurt> & greets 2 mh!
11:48:14 <drk_wi_frankfurt> = sharelife!
11:48:23 <john_nomad> faugh, I'm outta here, SL is facist hype... :-\
11:48:53 <martin_bremen> I still can not receive any stream...
11:48:54 <martin_bremen> was something changed?
11:49:02 <john_nomad> wha' nobody's driving? waaaaaaaaa!
11:49:04 <bigwus_> me neither
11:49:07 <morgansully> i think an attitude that lets people know that it's OKAY to have open jamming would be a next step
11:49:13 <drk_wi_frankfurt> m it still running
11:49:25 <john_nomad> here the stream in fine... did you restart QT?
11:49:27 <morgansully> an attitude shift
11:49:34 <dan_winckler> rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
11:50:03 <john_nomad> education on the principles is also a critical role to take within the community...
11:50:07 <morgansully> yes, yes Koosil!
11:50:42 <bigwus_> hmmh. getting not found messages
11:50:48 <john_nomad> and indeed, koosil, it is possible to operate on the principles without relying on the technology 11:50:57 <aalex> a laptop per child?
11:51:03 <dan_winckler> rtsp://qtss.idmi.poly.edu:80/share_mit5.sdp
11:51:05 <dan_winckler> ?
11:51:08 <aalex> or throw always our laptop?
11:51:24 <bigwus_> yes, that's what I'm trying
11:51:30 <aalex> I feel bad discussing in irc while there are so many wonderful people 1 meter away... ;)
11:51:30 <john_nomad> yes, throw away, and look around to the humans who are immediately around us...
11:52:08 <john_nomad> I said at the beginning to unbolt the chairs and sit in a circle, drop the mikes, etc... ;-))
11:52:35 <john_nomad> flying pigs, yes...
11:52:37 <morgansully> the sounds of one hand clapping
11:53:18 <aalex> my friend (koumbit) are a non-profit org. they open-sourced their infrastructure/org so that people can make derivatices orgs like it
11:53:28 <martin_bremen> still nothing...
11:53:30 <martin_bremen> ???
11:53:31 <martin_bremen> my internet is ok
11:53:33 <aalex> their idea is to make a federation ~anarchist
11:53:33 <martin_bremen> ???
11:53:34 <john_nomad> thousands of shares, world wide, the world bank making microloans for starting them up...
11:53:42 <aalex> go drupal !! ;-)
11:53:58 <dan_winckler> martin, try opening the stream in VLC if you have it
11:54:03 <john_nomad> not sure Martin == try tracerouting the qt server address
11:54:53 <dan_winckler> also, the stream requires QT 7....maybe that's why.
11:56:06 <aalex> does the GPL v3 has a restriction regarding nuclear centrals ?
11:56:18 <martin_bremen> no i got the stream before. i have qt7 as well...
11:56:22 <aalex> like you cannot use this soft for a nuclear plant
11:56:42 <bigwus_> yes, same here
11:56:42 <dan_winckler> dunno, alex. GIYF.
11:56:51 <bigwus_> tried vlc, wouldn't work either
11:56:57 <dan_winckler> hmmm
11:57:01 <dan_winckler> ok, i'll restart the stream
11:57:04 <john_nomad> no nuclear infrastructure will rely on open source systems -- they are about command and control...
11:57:04 <morgansully> good points Keiko
11:57:08 <bigwus_> thanks
11:57:22 <dan_winckler> back up now
11:57:23 <morgansully> i think people simply getting together is sharing in a sense
11:57:28 <dan_winckler> restart your stream
11:57:34 <morgansully> video and audio stopped for SD
11:57:47 <john_nomad> yes, simply exercising the right to form communities locally... or globally...
11:58:13 <john_nomad> Dan re-started it...
11:58:19 <john_nomad> that's sahre...
11:58:22 <john_nomad> share...
11:58:43 <dan_winckler> rashe
11:59:01 <aalex> shear
11:59:09 <martin_bremen> perfect
11:59:11 <john_nomad> arshe
11:59:11 <martin_bremen> thanx
11:59:56 <martin_bremen> earsh
12:00:00 <john_nomad> google "neighborhood public radio" JOn Brumit in Oakland...
12:00:29 <aalex> very good point. churches are somewhat closed to other ideas...
12:01:37 <john_nomad> globalization is hostile to human-to-human connection... 12:01:37 <aalex> small crayons are hard to break
12:01:57 <morgansully> koosil are you on IRC?
12:02:18 <dan_winckler> no, she's not
12:02:39 <dan_winckler> how so, john?
12:02:48 <dan_winckler> how is it hostile.
12:02:52 <john_nomad> we need to have an open discussion like this in 6 months -- for the benefit of share...
12:03:21 <john_nomad> development tends to insert more and more noiz between people
12:03:35 <dan_winckler> i agree, john
12:03:38 <aalex> bureaucratie....
12:03:49 <aalex> federations are nice
12:04:01 <aalex> like the wikings... : the root of anarchism
12:04:03 <john_nomad> making local community hard to make happen -- that article I posted has soeme expansion on this idea
12:04:17 <morgansully> 'community of frieds!'
12:04:22 <morgansully> well said!
12:04:46 <drk_wi_frankfurt> '..share with friends, share global..''
12:04:50 <john_nomad> well, we can easily do this and even make it public as a stream...
12:05:12 <martin_bremen> shure
12:05:13 <dan_winckler> we is donez
12:05:20 <dan_winckler> au'voir tout le monde
12:05:22 <aalex> things got to last. good point
12:05:22 <john_nomad> thanks everyone -- it was nice!
12:05:23 <keiko_mit> hey thank you all!
12:05:27 <aalex> dan_winckler, salut
12:05:28 <keiko_mit> yeah!!
12:05:31 <keiko_mit> salut
12:05:40 <i8u> bye all!
12:05:41 <john_nomad> yeah, dan, thanks for facilitating
12:05:42 <katlib> .thanks all for super cool input
12:05:45 <keiko_mit> john, where's next stop?
12:05:49 <martin_bremen> tschuessss! from bremen. thank you all.
12:05:50 <morgansully> thank you everyone!
12:05:51 <drk_wi_frankfurt> now having a Claim: '..share with friends, share global..''
12:05:53 <keiko_mit> or staying in sf for a bit?
12:05:54 <john_nomad> this should be posted on the site...
12:05:59 <jim_mtl> thanks all!!
12:06:03 <i8u> as we say "a la prochaine chicane!"
12:06:18 <john_nomad> I'm in sf for a few weeks at least, maybe going to NYC, though, not sure now...
12:06:19 <drk_wi_frankfurt> thnx2all..
12:06:21 <keiko_mit> wow france
12:06:30 <keiko_mit> yes. good to hang out with all!
12:06:40 <john_nomad> merci bein pur tout!
12:06:41 <aalex> total beakdown it seems
12:06:46 <bigwus_> thanks guys
12:06:49 <john_nomad> kiittos Kaikille
12:06:52 <aalex> pas de trouble, man :-P
12:06:59 <john_nomad> there goes the stream...
12:07:02 <i8u> super John, a bientot
12:07:15 <drk_wi_frankfurt> was great 2 hear MH, Kath & keiko ..again.
12:07:21 <martin_bremen> bis bald, john
12:07:23 <drk_wi_frankfurt> bye.
12:07:30 <john_nomad> cheers... all. yes, dirk it was, I've never met them yet
12:07:36 <john_nomad> ciao martin
12:07:41 <john_nomad> see you in Bremen
12:07:52 <keiko_mit> ciao!
12:07:55 <morgansully> thanks again all!
12:07:58 <john_nomad> ciao
12:08:00 <martin_bremen> see you again, soon. bye bye...
12:08:03 <john_nomad> see you in SF morgan
12:08:09 <john_nomad> bye
12:08:10 <drk_wi_frankfurt> may too see us soon, then alltogether!
12:08:14 <drk_wi_frankfurt> ; )
12:08:18 <john_nomad> jep
12:08:35 <martin_bremen> yes...
12:08:48 <drk_wi_frankfurt> hope @ ARS.. ??( then alltogether!)
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