dialogue 8 with Terhi Penttila, March 26 1997

Session Start: Wed Mar 26 11:41:19 1997
*** Now talking in #PORT
*** jaycee changes topic to "+t Eight Dialogues/PORT MIT with Terhi Penttila"
jaycee: Good morning! You are here early!
jaycee: 20:45 your time
Teri: Hi
Teri: I just got your e-mail and replyed it.
jaycee: Yeah, so you are at your studio?
jaycee: or MUU
Teri: yes I am
Teri: in my studio
jaycee: You must have a good modem there, this seems to be a fast connection
jaycee: sort of...
Teri: Is it fast. My modem is normal kind of. 28 000 or something like that.
jaycee: I was just looking at a "news from Iceland" page -- to keep current on things there...
Teri: John, before we'll start to be serious, I have one suggestion.
jaycee: Okay
Teri: I have a cellular phone, GSM. And I would love get some messages!
Teri: There is a way to send messages by e-mail
Teri: Send mail to e-mail address :
Teri: +35840xxxxxxx@sms.netcom.tele3.no
Teri: GSM's tel number before @.
Teri: Write Gsm-message in e-mail's subject (!).
Teri: You'll get answer that message has been sent.
Teri: My GSM number is
Teri: int+358-40-5911 449
Teri: ---
Teri: +3584059114449@sms.netcom.tele3.no
jaycee: okay, I'm on my dad's machine, it will take me a moment to figure it out...
Teri: What do you mean by figuring it out?
jaycee: well, this windows shit is not always easy for simple things...
Teri: Cant you access your e-mail while having IRC session going on? If it is problematic, you don't have ... I see. OK.
jaycee: Oh yes, but I just need to check the settings and all...
jaycee: Okay, I sent it...
Teri: Oh, let it be this time, but maybe some other day?
jaycee: I imagine it will take some time to arrive?
Teri: I don't know. Here when we tested, it took some minutes.
jaycee: I didn't put the + in front of the address
jaycee: just the number
Teri: + is needed
jaycee: it seems the delay with IRC is about 20 seconds right now
jaycee: okay, I will resend it...
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Teri: Hi Robin!
murph: Hi Terhi, Hi John
jaycee: Hey Robbin!
jaycee: Terhi, I sent it again with the +
jaycee: (R. I am testing sending messages to Terhi's cellular phone...
Teri: John is just about to send a message to my cellular phone by e-mail. A new thing that I'm fashinated about. I love to receive messages..
jaycee: Wonder where Remo is?
jaycee: Are you in NYC Robbin? I guess you are heading up to BeanTown tomorrow or so?
murph: Yes, I'm going up tomorrow morning
jaycee: Have fun!
murph: GH is going, too
murph: We're going to have a big party Friday
murph: Also one Saturday
jaycee: Okay Terhi, I hear the grandfather clock ringing the hour in the hallway. It is High Noon here in the West!
murph: Then we'll settle down for Easter
jaycee: Chilly a bit outside -- about 15C/60F
jaycee: Don't party too much now, boys!
Teri: High Noon! About the sky thing, Hale-Bopp is beautiful.
murph: I'll go find Remo and see what he's doing
murph: He may be confused about the server
jaycee: Terhi, is your GSM ringing yet?
jaycee: okay
jaycee: I'm on aimnet
Teri: Not yet
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jaycee: hmmm.
Teri: What is aimnet?
jaycee: (I was saying that to Robbin -- that's the IRCnet server I am using at the moment
jaycee: I didn't have to use funet this time
Teri: I see... But Robbin left.
jaycee: It seems IRCnet is pretty much up all the time
Teri: So aimnet is domain name of the server
jaycee: yes, he wanted to look for Remo and the gallery computers
Teri: I'm on funet.
jaycee: yes. irc.aimnet.com
Teri: Are Remo and Robbin gallery allways during these dialogs?
Teri: in gallery
jaycee: Robbin has been tuning in from Artnetweb offices in NYC (or his home in NYC) although he was up in Boston at the beginning...
jaycee: Remo has been in Boston at the gallery the whole time (2 months), he lives in NYC normally
Teri: Have you been in gallery?
jaycee: so, it sounds like you have been busy these days...
jaycee: no, I know where the gallery is, as I used to live in Boston, but that is 5000 km away...
jaycee: You are almost closer to the gallery than I am!
Teri: Terribly busy...that exhibition in Milano. I don't know what happens. I am run out of money..
jaycee: oh no... What are you going to do?
Teri: I'm closer ;)
jaycee: have you finished some work?
Teri: Don't know. Somehow I'll handle it. Somehow.
Teri: Finished?
jaycee: when do you go to Milano?
Teri: 19th of April for two weeks.
jaycee: maybe you can go work for Funet!
jaycee: I will be arriving in Iceland from NYC on that day...
Teri: I'm going to have a little holiday in the same.
jaycee: so, you have enough money to holiday? but not make art?
jaycee: hmmm
Teri: I have got some teaching work from different places. One course there and an other in some other school.. And so on.
Teri: Art first, holiday next.
Teri: It is the same ticket.
jaycee: You know, we should propose a class to Imatra and Lahti
Teri: Not bad idea.
jaycee: I am sure we could do something at those places... I have some connections, and of course, Andy and Merja are in Lahti
Teri: Actually I have had much interesting courses going on in Art Academy.
jaycee: I may be teaching a class for 4 months at the University of Colorado Sept-Dec
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jaycee: So, you were teaching more than just January?
Teri: Few of the students have became very interested of net art. We have been doing CU-SeeMe performances.
jaycee: (hallo remo)
jaycee: great
Port2: Hello
jaycee: With other schools?
Port2: Sorry I'm late....
jaycee: The class I will do in Colorado is Electronic Imaging, so maybe we can collaborate on that
Teri: Hi Remo!
jaycee: (that's okay, glad you made it)
jaycee: oh, yes, I was also proposing something to Vuk Cosic for the net.time meeting in Lubiljana
jaycee: which will be the last day of my workshop at MUU
jaycee: so, I would like you to join me on that if you can...
Teri: I don't remember. Should I check it now?
jaycee: I actually wish we were teaching the net.akademie workshops together...
Teri: Are you asking me or?
Teri: Sorry, now I'm confused, What did you proposed?
jaycee: Well, the class in Colorado, I was thinking if you would be teaching net things at the Akademie, we could connect
jaycee: yes, I asked three things too quickly... We can talk about it when I get to Helsinki in May...
jaycee: Just the idea of connecting our classes remotely or so...
Teri: Sure, that would be fine! When you'll be teaching there?
jaycee: that will be Sept-Dec 97
Teri: I don't know yet where I'll be next September, but of course I would like connect our classes somehow.
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jaycee: anyway... So how did you like the Silja project?
jaycee: you did not stay on the boat except to visit when it was in Helsinki, right?
jaycee: I though our conversation was pretty funny... I am not so clear thinking at 0600
Teri: There is just now (in Art Academy) going on one project with one art school in Sweden, on in Kassel. But those other involved in it are a little bit out what it comes in on line things. So I would be happy to do something with you. In Colorado.
Teri: Silja, well.
jaycee: Oliver was telling me about that project -- lots of money and teachers flying around meeting each other, but not much content
Teri: Yes, I visited boat only when it was in harbor in Helsinki.
jaycee: I find these on-line connection projects many times just don't work! No content, boring, bad technical preparations...
Teri: Don't say that!
Teri: I find these on line things the most interesting!
jaycee: Have you visited any of the PORT projects? You should check into the CUSeeMe on Friday coming, I will send you the information...
jaycee: Well, actually, YOUR projects ARE interesting, I wasn't talking about yours!
Teri: I don't care any more technical problems. If plan number one doesn't work then take the second..
jaycee: You prepare well and get people excited about participating, I have seen that
jaycee: But, like the Silja thing, the Web interface was nice, but nobody tested it to see if it was practical for a slow connection...
jaycee: I think PORT ended up very good, at least it did get many participants into the process and there was a lot of collaboration
Teri: Silja thing wasn't prepared well. I didn't know anything about that nice interface before arriving on boat...
jaycee: It was beautiful, but it didn't work... I gave Tapio a bit of a hard time about it...
jaycee: will you be going to Tornio for Polar Circuits?
jaycee: Or will you be in Helsinki for May-June
Teri: Silja was merely fine for those being there physically. Artist meeting each others, making friends and so on. I was sorry I couldn't stay for the whole trip to Stockholm.
jaycee: Right, I think the core for these On-line events ends up when one later meets the other people physically
jaycee: or keeps a contact long enough to really become friends
Teri: Yes to Polar Circuit. But not whole two months. I'll stay in Helsinki until mid June.
jaycee: at least some understanding happens
jaycee: Great! then I'll see you up there, too... I had Tapio invite two American friends, Steve Bradley, a very interesting media artist and teacher will be there
jaycee: and hopefully, Adrianne Wortzel who is part of PORT and numerous other on-line things...
jaycee: Look-out!
Teri: It is always a happy thing to meet others who are talking with same words about net art. In Finland it is so new thing that I really like that kind of meetings. That is also why I want to go for Polar Circuit.
jaycee: Well, you are one of the most active people I know anywhere doing projects of that nature...
Teri: Will you stay in north the whole two months?
jaycee: And we can do some drinking, too, right?
jaycee: No, only the month of June. I have to go to Iceland to spend July with Loki
Teri: Don't remind me.. party at Tapio's place. I drunk a little bit too much..
jaycee: All the parties at Tapio's are dangerous. Next time I go to one, I bring a sleeping bag so I don't have to go down the steps in the sunrise...
Teri: So we'll be in Polar Circuit only two weeks at the same time.
jaycee: I guess Nigel is coming from Sydney also
Teri: I may arrive there for MidNight Summer Fest.
Teri: ...still
jaycee: Yes, well, that should be an interesting time... I will be carrying a Hi-8 camera on this trip, something I have not done before
jaycee: So, my documents will be audio-video together instead of audio tapes and silver photos...
jaycee: I have no idea what I will do for the time...
Teri: Hi-8! I just dreaming to buy a new one. My old is too heavy and old to carry.
jaycee: time, that is
jaycee: My brother gave one to my mother who gave it to my nephew who will loan it to me... I want to film a lot in Iceland so that people here can see what life is like up there...
jaycee: And, of course, Finland, too...
Teri: Don't you. I think that I can take part in someones project if needed OR more probably: I'll make reality of my "Lobby Of Lost Souls" plan. That Palace kind of meeting place if you remember.
jaycee: Yes, I think I remember... It is a great name, maybe you can have it as part of something like Palace that is already constructed so you don't have to do the tech work so much...
jaycee: I think adaweb had something like that with Lawrence Weiner -- I'll look it up for you...
jaycee: avatar-driven chat construct/space
Teri: I'm really looking forward Polar Circuit. Tapio is good in connecting people and arranging that kind of workshops. Hey, if you don't have any plan what to do, maybe you can help me with Lobby of Lost Souls?
Teri: Good, sent me info of that.
jaycee: Remind me more about the Lobby concept... Sure, I think I may only have a series of dialogues with all the participants, and that will be my "work"
jaycee: So I could be involved with yours...
jaycee: I may do some work on my Dinners CD piece, I think Steve can help me technically on that... We'll see...
jaycee: I don't want to have to carry many archive tapes, though, as I will be on the road for four months at least...
jaycee: And my back...
Teri: Fine. Just to make interface (2 dimensional) for it. And then be there to take care of visitors. There will be different spaces from different times. Performing place, and so on.
Teri: Tech.. may be a problem but I'm going to start with Palace's software.
jaycee: I find that the creation of spaces inside which people can meet is one of the most productive and interesting forms of art --
Teri: Your back? Big problems?
jaycee: like what Tapio is good at -- bringing people together for events... I really admire people like that, whatever the form they are working in
jaycee: No, my back is MUCH better, I am swimming and hiking every day almost, but it still is weak some
Teri: What did happened?
jaycee: Oh, I just stressed it and damaged it doing too much back-work here at my parents place... Long story
Teri: OK.
jaycee: collaboration across geopolitical borders is such an important thing... especially in this crazy world
jaycee: hmmmm (I look out the window to the brilliant blue sky here, sunshine)
Teri: ..in this crazy world...
Teri: Hale-Bopp, have you seen it?
jaycee: Is the world crazy, or normally crazy or always crazy except in small places at little times
jaycee: Oh yes, I have been out many evenings, photographing and observing it...
jaycee: It is a sign in the heavens
jaycee: Or, that is what a "sign in the heavens" is,
jaycee: A NEW STAR
jaycee: silver hair streaming
jaycee: forget science and LOOK
Teri: When someone says "this world"... I feel that sentence is the most stabile sentence. I mean old. Always the same. Didn't they say so thousand years ago, .."in these days.."..
Teri: Stars are old.
jaycee: I guess it is quite high in the sky in Finland
Teri: You can easily see it when walking on the street every evening.
jaycee: Yes, this world is old. I like to walk in the rocks here. Pressing my hands to the surface and try to hear the age, the wisdom, the power
jaycee: your days are now longer than ours here in the south
Teri: Tale is not that bright with lights of town, but still, I like it. There it is going to ...?
Teri: Where.
Teri: OH!
jaycee: It goes closer to the sun, and will move south in the sky in a month or so... And will fade gradually
Teri: You like to touch the rocks too.
jaycee: The rocks here are something like the granite of Finland, but lighter in color and density
jaycee: and the heat makes them different, the sun, the dryness, the plants...
Teri: You know. For me it is one of the most important things. To be near with those elements of nature which are very old. Rocks, see. Stars are always far away, but you can feel how others before you have seen them in the same way.
jaycee: That is one thing I remembered from my first moments in Finland, the ride from the airport, and passing the beautiful pink granites along the road
Teri: I don't care for material of the rocks but their age? What their eyes have seen.
jaycee: Finland is like north Canada, where the rocks are very old, smoothed by glaciers, and abused by the years
Teri: Already ancient people touching them like me. In Vehkalahti there you can touch very, very old rocks. Red granite quite often.
jaycee: You would like a visit to the west here, where the land is full of strange forms. It is good for the eyes
jaycee: I like the way the sea is on the coast there in Finland... The rocks slowly coming out to the sea
Teri: I love little icelands at see. Their forms are just that...
jaycee: When you fly from Helsinki to NYC you cross the middle of Greenland which is amazing, terrifying...
Teri: Oh no, now when we are talking about this. I feel like longing so much ..
jaycee: the whiteness with nothing in the middle, two thousand KM about
jaycee: But on the edges, where the ice is tearing at the old rocks, and smashing them and the ice breaking into pieces and floating in the ocean
jaycee: It frightened me... The whole north frightens me in many ways
Teri: There must be a lovely peace.
jaycee: the peace of absolute physical DEATH
jaycee: and psychic purity
jaycee: the sun and warmth of the south makes things easy in a way
Teri: Hey, what is that? frightens? Peace is not a death. And anyway death is not that bad.
jaycee: although the desert here can be dangerous the warmth of the sun is so relaxing...
jaycee: yes, frightens... I felt that often when traveling (walking) camping in Iceland.
Teri: Dead is newborning in a form of nature. You can take a form of a dessert rock after death.
jaycee: That the forces of nature could destroy me in a moment
jaycee: yes, white bones cleaned by the mountain lions and little creatures and the sun
Teri: You must not try to control force of nature it should be respected.
Teri: John,
Teri: White bones..
jaycee: I found I could not fight it in Iceland, I fought for a long time, and it almost killed me...
jaycee: okay, Yes?
jaycee: sorry, maybe I am being dramatic here
jaycee: I need a Guinness
Teri: I was thinking about lying on ancient rock in sun in beautiful iceland at see. Why there is always winter for you in north?
jaycee: because it is too damn cold for me...
jaycee: at 30C I begin to move, below that I am a different person
Teri: I like warmness. I hate feeling cold. You just have to put enough clothes on!
Teri: +30 C
Teri: ?
jaycee: Right, that's the problem, Putting clothes on... I am used to going out with a tee-shirt and shorts and sandals much of my life...
Teri: ;)
jaycee: clothes are a hassle
jaycee: okay, I don't want to complain about the north, I like it. It has re-made me...
Teri: But isn't it a little bit too much over + 37 C... ;)
jaycee: I want both, the south, the north, the West and the East
jaycee: all
Teri: As we all, wanting all of it. Everything. Nothing more. Just all of.
jaycee: no, 37C is fine. Just have to siesta at mid-day, and not be a stupid tourist and run around in the mid-day sun... Unhealthy...
jaycee: WE WANT THE WORLD AND WE WANT IT NOW!
Teri: EXACTLY!
jaycee: so Jim Morrison said. Jim, the modern Blake!
jaycee: I taught Loki to say that when he was little
Teri: We all say that. Jim is just one of us.
jaycee: Now I have to teach him how to believe it and live it...
Teri: Please teach him too that wanting and having are different things.
jaycee: He wrote that in the desert not far from here, in the starry night
jaycee: Desire too often ignored is desire dead
jaycee: I want him to desire the stars, the Sun, the sea, the World, other people,
Teri: Desire.
jaycee: and that having is not the goal of wanting, but loving is the goal of wanting
jaycee: If he can love all these things, than having is not the question...
jaycee: Having kills
Teri: Right.
Teri: Desire dyes when is given what was wanting
jaycee: yes
jaycee: A strange paradox we face
Teri: So strange is the life of desire. To get killed.
Teri: It is a paradox.
Teri: Important to want much but not to have it.
jaycee: it is possible to desire Love?
jaycee: hmmm,
Teri: It is. I have been, for a long time. Unsuccessfully. So the desire lives.
jaycee: But love is within always, is it not... We mostly do not Love the self as we should
Teri: But actually I would rather take love if have to choose between it and desiring it.
jaycee: ah hah, that is where the problems arrive...
Teri: Yes.
jaycee: I am lost for words
jaycee: at the moment, floating in space.
jaycee: somewhere between rocks and the sky filled with the comet
Teri: I on my feets, on the ground.
Teri: Thinking about life. Desire. Dreams. Everyday life.
jaycee: (there is a song, country song, "Feets don't fail me now")
Teri: I don't know what I want. Or I know, but forgotted how it was to be arranged. The happiness. OR
jaycee: Everyday life, every day life. One must bleed the dreams into the everyday life and fill that life with the dreams
Teri: Sorry I don't care typing. I want to think.
jaycee: arranging it maybe will never work, listening to it, maybe
jaycee: yes, right, translating thoughts into this barbaric other language is a hassle that I escape from by your knowledge
Teri: I have been living alone over 10 years. One part of my everyday life is filled with dreams. Physically I spend sometimes hours just dreaming.
jaycee: I am conscious of it, though
jaycee: Yes, I know that you miss your alarm clock often... When we were teaching... ;)
Teri: Alarm clock..;)
jaycee: where's Terhi? It's 1000, and she was supposed to be here... Working late into the night
Teri: I am awake when dreaming.
Teri: But you know.
Teri: I found happiness that way.
jaycee: isn't it possible to build a bridge from the dream energy to the "real" energy?
jaycee: I know I had a bad dream a couple nights ago, something very rare for me... a profound dream, and the energy affected my whole Being for a couple days
jaycee: echoing
Teri: That you can always find it. I have learned to be happy for very little things. In a way I feel then richer. Being able to find happiness from so little things. If my life would have been filled with much and big happiness then I would never had learned that.
jaycee: crashing into the edges of my Self and making me aware of the limits of present thought
jaycee: you know loss
jaycee: and that has formed you
jaycee: hmmmm
Teri: Formed?
jaycee: uh, helped create who you are...
Teri: Yes. We are formed by our history.
jaycee: Funny, I thought suddenly of one of the times we were walking to the Akademie one day, it was cold, and we were talking about something
jaycee: as we always did, walking around town between MUU and the Akademie
Teri: what we were talking about?
jaycee: Almost getting run over by cars rather often
Teri: That circle I'm running. What we talked?
jaycee: I don't recall exactly what we were talking about, but I suddenly felt that the same level of energy
jaycee: dialectic energy
jaycee: as though the medium here made NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL? Is that possible?
Teri: Because me too, I remember the feeling. I want to remember what it was about?
jaycee: I don't think the exact subject is so important, but the exchange of energy purely
Teri: Now I didn't understand?
Teri: This I did not understand as though the medium here made NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL?
Teri: What difference?
jaycee: that mediation of any sort matters? That the mediation (IRC) has no negative effect on the quality of the dialogue
Teri: Was it supposed that there is some difference?
jaycee: Well, one would expect that there would be a difference... Or maybe just as a problem to overcome
Teri: that mediation of any sort matters? It does not matter.
jaycee: you are probably right
jaycee: That this project (Eight Dialogues) as a test of the effects of mediation makes no sense...
jaycee: That it can only be a demonstration, and actuality of what it is... at the moment, nothing more or less
Teri: I am aware of that other people may be listening our conversation or that you'll put this on your web site, but I don't care or don't remember. When we are walking on street someone can listen to our dialogue or if are sitting in a bus someone can listen... I allways forget to care about that.
jaycee: sorry, I am not being clear here, thinking too quickly for my fingers to type...
jaycee: I recall a poster from the War (WWII) where the idea was that SOMEONE can always be listening to what you are saying (like a spy)
Teri: Me too
jaycee: so one had to be careful...
jaycee: But if one speaks from the heart, overhearing that can never be a problem.
jaycee: Speaking from the ego and the head, can be big trouble...
Teri: But really. Isn't IRC exactly the same like in a bus or train. You are having an intensive discussion going on. Do you think about other people beside you. No, you forget them quite easily.
jaycee: That is where self-consciousness and the conscience conflict...
jaycee: Train the tongue to speak the hearts words and one can be free of guilt
Teri: Conflict?... This is right: But if one speaks from the heart, overhearing that can never be a problem.
Port2: May I break in for a minute?
Port2: This is Remo.
Teri: OK
jaycee: actually, words from the heart are really music
jaycee: yes?
Teri: yes
Port2: There is a writer here that will be writing about this and other shows.
jaycee: Remo?
Port2: Could we use the rest of this time to talk about this show?
jaycee: okay, a writer listening to writers who are speaking through words on screens and keyboards and wires
jaycee: to hearts of muscle and blood
jaycee: Uh, I suppose so... Terhi, is that okay with you?
Port2: Yes, very interesting....
Teri: OK. Lets talk about the show.
Port2: We will need to write about this.
jaycee: We, of course, will continue our discussion later, over a Guinness in Helsinki in a month or two...
Port2: I've noticed that the conversations are very personal.
Port2: Something I like.
jaycee: Terhi and I have been in a dialogue since we met awhile back
jaycee: You like to hear a personal conversation, or be in one?
Port2: Both.
Teri: You don't feel embarassed when listening so personal conversation?
Port2: I've done a lot of cyberdating and enjoy the intimacy that follows.
jaycee: not surprisingly you answered that.
jaycee: we are starved for authentic words in this incarnation
Teri: cyberdating.....
Teri: I don't like that word
Port2: No not embarrassed, more like a lurker, though.
jaycee: (dating via the net... you know what dating is...
jaycee: it is a little strange concept, I admit
Teri: I know the word. I don't like it because it is so in trEND. And because it so meaningless. But that is not anything important.
jaycee: it presumes some gender wrinkles in a way
Port2: I'm becoming an expert, oddly enough.
Port2: Not really.
jaycee: Expert? mmm how is that measured?
Port2: It is about trusting that you are who you are.
Teri: Yes how?
Port2: I can't talk to someone that I don't know basics.
jaycee: yes, that the words that issue from the body are is balance with the person and the self
Teri: But Remo. Is this medium something else for you.
Port2: No, it is an extension.
jaycee: or a continuation of life?
Port2: An extension of personal communications.
Port2: Right.
jaycee: do you find it different than?
jaycee: as an extension?
Teri: I was just talking that IRC is like having an conversation with a friend in a bus or train.
Port2: I'm been communicating with someone fore over a month now.
Port2: We haven't meet.
Port2: But we are very close and good for each other.
jaycee: well, heart-words are heart-words
Teri: So I mean nothing so specially different from conventional ways of communicating.
Port2: Chat is different.
Port2: Chat is for minor conversations.
Teri: In what way?
Port2: email and BBSes are for real thinking and exploring each other.
jaycee: well, the base line is whether what is being said, typed, broadcast, sent, thrown, touched, is authentic and genuine
jaycee: Chat comes from the word for the action of the mouth opening and closing rapidly
Port2: Right authentic or genuine.
Port2: Back to trust.
jaycee: Nothing about content
Port2: I find that email can get very poetic.
jaycee: so, from the scene in Diva as the hero cuts a baguette: "There is no bread, there is no knife, there is only the Void"
Port2: Sorry, I got off on my own thing.
jaycee: mediation goes back to the psycho-spiritual condition of incarnation, soul-in-body, hypostasis,
Port2: I really wanted to ask how you felt this is going?
Teri: I'm I too realistic, or too much on the ground or what, when I don't find this medium so different and special.
jaycee: and so, in principle, mediation in all forms are the same. We must overcome all mediations to touch the Other
jaycee: (who is a part of the self
Port2: And how you want these dialogues to be characterized?
Teri: (who(who(who ;)
jaycee: Probably the most obvious mediation is that of language itself...
jaycee: Characterized? As in mounted butterflies in boxes?
jaycee: or experienced?
Teri: Only difference between IRC and chatting with a friend in a bus is that for IRC you don't have to be physically in the same space.
jaycee: but it shows that psychically physical space can be collapsed and overcome
Teri: Content depends on your relation with that one you are talking to.
jaycee: that is, physical space can be psychically overcome
Teri: Actually are you on the same channel (mentally)
jaycee: that relation being the level of trust , the willingness to open to the Other -- in general ones psychic state at the moment...
jaycee: because, two can be strangers...
jaycee: and still speak from the heart.
Teri: Strangers can be near each others
Teri: when speaking from the hear YES
Teri: sorry, heart
jaycee: I told Alex the story of me sitting on a train from Oslo to Stavanger once, in a car alone with an old man sitting a few seats ahead of me, after an hour of riding like this,
jaycee: he turned suddenly and said in English, "Come, we must not be animals, we must SPEAK!"
Teri: And you did?
jaycee: And so, because of his open-ness and awareness, we spoke for some hours intimately
jaycee: I was the fearful stranger, he, dying from cancer, had no fear like that, and even a righteous anger
jaycee: at my fear!
Teri: Did you felt he was that eager to speak because of his cancer?
Teri: Or that he had always been that open
jaycee: Maybe we can rename the medium of this project "Internet Relay Dialogue" IRD!
Teri: Good idea!
jaycee: I think he was experiencing life differently than before perhaps, I don not know... I think he was going home to die in his house on a small island
Teri: It is time to arrive on century of content and leave tech as a question
jaycee: Accurate!
jaycee: Kiipis!
Teri: Kippis!
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jaycee: Can you type that last sentence in Finnish, for the record?
jaycee: it is time..
jaycee: I think MIT timed out...
Teri: On aika saapua sis�ll�n aikakaudelle; j�tt�� taakseen tekniikkakeskeisyys.
jaycee: Terhi, the clock strikes 1400 here. Of course, there are many things to talk about -- your studio move, Jangva, and so on,
Teri: My Finnish translation was quite bad. Funny. I didn't know hoe to say in Finnish..
jaycee: That's okay, I understand some of it...
Teri: OK, we are leaving at this time.
jaycee: Lily was saying that she is doing quite well with Finnish now...
jaycee: So, I will be posting this by later this evening...
Teri: We'll continue by e-mail, but lets have also IRC sessions sometimes.
jaycee: And will talk to you tomorrow... It has been a pleasure speaking with you, as always!
Teri: Posting?
jaycee: posting as posting by ftp to the web site
jaycee: Robbin? Thanks, see you in a couple weeks in NYC, and thanks for all the supPORT from your and Remo both!
Teri: Me too, really a pleasure to have this kind of dialogue.
jaycee: Terhi, weren't you telling me of another event coming up? I have forgotten...
Teri: I would like to thank you all!
jaycee: Well, just let me know
Teri: There are
jaycee: Okay, I have to run now, to take my sister into town...
jaycee: talk to you tomorrow on email..
Teri: I'll . At the moment I'm still so deep in my thoughts that I can't consentrate on remembering what it was.
nomini: Ironically, the writer elected not to write. I did not want to interrupt your dialogue. I preferred rather to be the passive passenger on the bus. I will take the insight I learned from your dialogue and write as observer. Thank you! We are now changing over to the next performance.
Teri: See U!
Teri: Bye
jaycee: bye!
nomini: bye!
Session Close: Wed Mar 26 14:06:58 1997