Log file opened at: 19.10.2001 14:26:00blkmale4u: r u there
blkmale4u: (private) hello
blkmale4u: (private) asl
Bed-In NZ: yes, we're here in bed
jaceee: it's late evening for you?
Bed-In NZ: its just the two of us
Bed-In NZ: its 8:30pm on fridya
Bed-In NZ: 1.5 hours north of wellington
jaceee: nothing like 20000 km distance, eh? about as close to the other side of the world as you can get from Carelia, here in Finland, on the Russian border...
Bed-In NZ: how's that
jaceee: have you had any other visits online?
Bed-In NZ: does anyone out there have a mike?
jaceee: I noticed your event was announced on Rhizome...
jaceee: you might get serious action soon...
Bed-In NZ: everyone, this is a serious event, concerning world peace, if you want to talk about other stuff please go somewhere else
*** Bed-In NZ has booted FABIO CAM ON ***
jaceee: you should have put a password on the room, set it for 16 occupants
jaceee: and only had the password on the web site...
jaceee: or on emails announcements, not had an open room
jaceee: sorr, the audio isnŠt good enough to understand
jaceee: I am on a gigabit network backbone here, I think you are on a dial-up line maybe?
Bed-In NZ: anyhow, we wanted an open room so anyone could join in - too idealist perhaps. how did you hear about this? Yes, in answer to you last question
jaceee: the rhizome mailing list
jaceee: www.rhizome.com
jaceee: net.art
Bed-In NZ: good night
Bed-In NZ: what do you think of it. we have mixed feelings, as do others
jaceee: of what?
jaceee: yeah, it depends, though, sometimes it breaks up
Bed-In NZ: sorry, i meant this project
jaceee: sounded not like a NEw Zealand accent ;-)
jaceee: well, you never know... it may turn out very interesting
jaceee: ahah, so the audio is okay...
jaceee: no, Carelia in central north Finland, on the Russian border
Bed-In NZ: as you said earlier, sorry it got confusing back there
jaceee: I am an artist and teaching woring in the intersection of communications technology and art
jaceee: http://neoscenes.net FYI
Bed-In NZ: and, what's the word in Finland about the terrorist situation and the us response?
jaceee: teacher working, that is (shit keyboard...)
jaceee: not much. people were shocked at the initial event, but nothing much after that...
jaceee: oh, not really, it's large, so,
jaceee: around 1000 pages
jaceee: just a minute, let me think of a text or so...
Bed-In NZ: is the whole site yours?
jaceee: yez
jaceee: maybe eight dialogues...
jaceee: neoscenes.net/network/eight/eight.html
Bed-In NZ: just got there
jaceee: project description, maybe 3rd 4th paragraph...
jaceee: idea of dialogue as networked activism or something like that...
Bed-In NZ: we're reading it now
Bed-In NZ: are you from Finland?
jaceee: no from Alaska originally, but have lived in Europe for 12 years now
jaceee: I left when the Reagan years where in a frenzy
jaceee: I was in the WTC 2 weeks before.
Bed-In NZ: shit
bob: hi from oregon
jaceee: hey, if you click in your own video window, you can put a text below the image...
bob: so what time is it in new zealand?
jaceee: hey Bob, what brought you here?
jaceee: rhizome?
bob: I am new at this and just wanted to meet some people from other countries... so why don't you have a video jacee?
jaceee: good connection latin -- I get 26 fps!
latin: here from nyc
jaceee: I am using my DVcam to dub some tapes at the moment, so...
latin: really thats great
latin: ivist has no women
latin: population of women is like 3
Bed-In NZ: it's 8:52pm on Friday in NZ
jaceee: better to go to a local bar if yo uwant to meet women, latin...
jaceee: yep?
jaceee: so, you folks Lennon-Ono fans...
bob: well it's late here in oregon...i better go it was nice meeting you all bye
jaceee: probably the obvious question
Bed-In NZ: yep
jaceee: I have about 75 Lennon/Ono albums somewhere...
jaceee: always relevant!
Bed-In NZ: well, after that little flurry of activity here we are again
jaceee: Ono was and still is one of the most important living artists...
jaceee: of course, Lennon, in his way
jaceee: SHe had an exhibition that was touring Scandinavia in the mid-90's where she came to Iceland (I was living there then)
jaceee: she's mind-blowing, WAY ahead of her time, like Louise Bourgeoise
Bed-In NZ: very true. there is also a nice review of the yes yoko ono exhibition at www.stretcher.org, a new internet pub that i am involved with. and, i agree about her being way ahead of her time! incendiary.
jaceee: I can remember plaing her albums back in the 70's and it just freaked people out...
jaceee: they did some vinly then that, yeah, incendiary
jaceee: vinyl
jaceee: oh yeah?
jaceee:
jaceee: I use the text window thing to help teach my son English .. he reads it aloud to me...
jaceee: yeah...?
jaceee: about 4 years? maybe and other stuff like cuseeme for 6?
jaceee: somehting like that
jaceee: IRC for 8 years
jaceee: uh, well, the pasword on the room, to filter out the jerks, though that is part of the territory
jaceee: otherwise, let's see. you can record the session, and that might be good for documentation
jaceee: well, it's mostl pervs trawling...
jaceee: the voice will be recorded
Bed-In NZ: no text?
jaceee: well, I shouldnt be so negative...
jaceee: no, the text you have to copy paste
jaceee: select it in the wondow and paste to a simple text doc or something
jaceee: yeah
jaceee: so, how long will you go?
jaceee: on for
jaceee: you just started, right?
jaceee: okay, cool. I'll leave my connection running here. I've made some screen shots
jaceee: and will check in from time to time
Bed-In NZ: right on, peace!
Bed-In NZ: nice to meet you
jaceee: you know how to do that? apple-shift-3 keys?
jaceee: you might want that for doc, too...
Bed-In NZ: that's a good idea!
jaceee: you will hear the machine make a "click" and the pit file is saved at the upper level of the HD
jaceee: pict file
Bed-In NZ: yup, got it, thanks!
jaceee: when I first read about the project, I thought, "oh no, not ..."
Bed-In NZ: and now?
jaceee: but, you know, the elegance of much of lennono's works were in their simplicity and a-historical relevance -- can be repeated daily!
Bed-In NZ: like the bed-in!
jaceee: connection and dialogue is essential these days, and simply is not happening.
Bed-In NZ: too true...
jaceee: yes, the spontaneity of their performative-type happenings (along with other Fluxus events...)
Bed-In NZ: what are you students saying about the war?
Bed-In NZ: by the way here's our websites: amyberk.com and twcdc.com
jaceee: well, we are in what might be one of the safest corners of the world, they are following the media, some of them looking for alternative sources, and I feed them info from my global network
jaceee: Fnland had a savage war with te Soviets in 1939, and the front line ran through the town I am in
jaceee: so there is very much living memory of WAR
Bed-In NZ: um... your global network, can you say more?
jaceee: that changes peoples perceptions immediately
jaceee: well, I have built up a network of individuals who I work with, a personal network of different kinds of people, and I get a lot of flow from that which I redistribute to the various student groups that I work with
JMPO: hello new zeland
jaceee: I teach in about 15 universities/ academies each year
Bed-In NZ: wow, that sounds exhausting... and hello JMPO
jaceee: well, it is an important facet of my work, to practice community-building...
jaceee: sorry, what did you say?
JMPO: hello like they are small, it is at night over there I am of mexico and I send a greeting to all
jaceee: apple-shift-3
jaceee: yeah, stay in touch after this action, eh?
jaceee: my email os on the site
Bed-In NZ: ok, we'll be in touch
jaceee: hallo JMPO
JMPO: hi jaceee
jaceee: si comprendo espanol..
JMPO: a que bien hablas el español
jaceee: donde in Mexico?
JMPO: si yo soy de mexico
jaceee: si, bueno...
JMPO: y tu eres de new zeland
jaceee: I am in Finland... Andy and Amy are in New Zealand
JMPO: ah ok
jaceee: (you write spanish, I English, is that ok?)
Bed-In NZ: yo comprendo poquito talvez
JMPO: como gustes
jaceee: gotta run, will be back later!
JMPO: hola bed que bien que entiendes no importa que sea poquito
JMPO: now I have to leave takes care and I send them a greeting from here ok
Bed-In NZ: adios jacee, hasta la vista
Bed-In NZ: END OF FIRST CHAPTER
give it up girls: sup
give it up girls: who are you?
give it up girls: heheheh
give it up girls: i wish
give it up girls: no ones cam on here
give it up girls: anyone got cams here
007: hello
Bed-In NZ: hello oasis! how did you hear about the bed-in?
oasis: hello cpl :-)
oasis: im hear nothing
Bed-In NZ: okay, i'll write instead.
Bed-In NZ: where are you located oasis?
oasis: in france
oasis: you are too far in your cam! lol
oasis: im not see you very well
Bed-In NZ: i see. are you participating in the bed-in
oasis: why not :-)
Bed-In NZ: where in france are you?
oasis: paris
Bed-In NZ: what do you think about the situation in afghanistan
oasis: what time is it in new zelend?
salva3: hi
Bed-In NZ: it is 10:15 p.m. here, and in paris?
oasis: 11.15 am
Bed-In NZ: hi salva, nice pecs.
Bed-In NZ: hi sanglier, what do you think about the war?
oasis: make love not war!
Bed-In NZ: right on oasis!
Bed-In NZ: so, who else is fasting for peace?
oasis: are you going to play nice cpl?
Bed-In NZ: what is cpl?
Bed-In NZ: non
oasis: couple
oasis: not couple?
Bed-In NZ: oh
Bed-In NZ: that'll cost 100,000F
Bed-In NZ: does anybody want to talk about peace?
prince: yope
prince: lets talk
prince: what about peace?
Bed-In NZ: let's give it a chance
prince: lol
prince: ok
prince: you are from where?
Bed-In NZ: Like stop bombing afghanistan, and what does lol mean?
prince: nothing
prince: its mean lough
Bed-In NZ: New Zealand
prince: oh
Bed-In NZ: and you? where from?
Bed-In NZ: hey, nice curtains!
prince: im from country that her people was dead every day
Bed-In NZ: can you be more specific?
prince: im from holyland(jerusalem)
prince: so know jrusalem
prince: yes or now
Bed-In NZ: what do you mean "her people was dead every day?" we know jeruslm
prince: i live in palastein
prince: and you hear at any news about kill
Bed-In NZ: how did you find out about the bed-in?
Bed-In NZ: or did you arrive here by chance?
prince: so are u understand me
prince: ok
Bed-In NZ: yes, we know something about palestein
Bed-In NZ: what do you thnk of the US actions in afghanistan?
prince: relly
prince: raelly*
Bed-In NZ: we don't understand
prince: if the reason is 100%right its goood
prince: arent you sbeak english
prince: speak
Bed-In NZ: i tried talking on microphone, did you hear?
prince: sorry
prince: my speker is offline
prince: speaker
Bed-In NZ: OK. We think bombing afghanistan will make matters worse - more terrorism, more death
Bed-In NZ: END OF CHAPTER TWO
Bed-In NZ: JACEE are you there?
Bed-In NZ: hi star.
Bed-In NZ: why so private onateag?
Bed-In NZ: unfortunately no.
Bed-In NZ: no comprende, ingles?
Bed-In NZ: espanol?
Bed-In NZ: francais? alemano?
Bed-In NZ: mac es fabuloso
Bed-In NZ: un poquito aqui
Bed-In NZ: no se.
Bed-In NZ: otra vez por favor
Bed-In NZ: we can't understand you my friend but we like being able to hear you, it is almost like a yoko ono album!
Bed-In NZ: 10:57pm in New Zealand
star: 11:57 hawaii
star: aloha
Bed-In NZ: aloha
*** Bed-In NZ has booted UGO ***
star: I should be in bed right now
CAMI: hello KIVI
Bed-In NZ: star - how did you get to come by here?
star: you 2 look super cozie
star: i not sure
Bed-In NZ: yes, we are fasting for world peace
Bed-In NZ: about what
Bed-In NZ: onataeg - your audio is very bad
CAMI: very b ad line so lets chat 4 a while
jaceee:
Bed-In NZ: hello cami
star: i was checking out i couple of my room to see if any of my faam or freinds were on and just desided to give to my positive vibrations
CAMI: i drink for the peace 2 come !
jaceee: some big action now, eh? cool..
Bed-In NZ: right on!
star: cool?
Bed-In NZ: but, can we do more than drink to it? can we make it happen?
jaceee: c'est cool, non? star?
CAMI: well mybe my goverment will.
star: you 2 may be fastig for a while
CAMI: i am an Israely live in Korea
jaceee: what are you doing in Korea?
CAMI: i make oiercing
CAMI: Piercing
jaceee: that's your job?
CAMI: VP marketing
CAMI: and you
CAMI: facew please
jaceee: so there's such a demand in Korea, that the import Israelis?
jaceee: sorry, my DV cam is being used for some video dubbing at the moment...
CAMI: Ha, Ha, Ha
no i am the compa
CAMI: ny
jaceee: okay
CAMI: no prob
jaceee: wild world.
CAMI: do you have a face by chance or creation
CAMI: ?
star: A&A how long have you ben fasting now
Bed-In NZ:
jaceee: by chance, yes I do have a face... ;-)
Bed-In NZ: only for 2 hours!
Bed-In NZ: not your face
Bed-In NZ: we have 46 to go
CAMI: he andy, is that Imac to go !
star: whats the lngest you have gone without eating?
jaceee: hey, I assume you have a dedicated phone line -- doesnŠt that cost each minute in NZ?
Bed-In NZ: star - we've gone 3 days before, jaycee - we have unllimited free dialup
CAMI: nice rec. andy ?
Bed-In NZ: it costs NZ$20 per monthe
star: that's the longest i have gone also
Bed-In NZ: why did you do it?
jaceee: well, okay, I gotta head out to lunch, (hope you arenŠt hungry yet...) later
Bed-In NZ: rec.?
CAMI: coooool
star: cool baby................cool
star: hello kids
Bed-In NZ: where are you?
star: me
star: hawaii
star: maui
Bed-In NZ: how did you find this group?
star: like i said
star: i was just looking around and i found you
Bed-In NZ: sorry, it gets confusing
CAMI: hai again
CAMI: i cut out
star: so... do you have any help wiyh your fast
star: soory
star: cantt typee to welllllljsj
CAMI: wla ?
star: son of a Bush
CAMI: hai thier
star: howdy
Bed-In NZ: sorry, we were doing something else. does anyone know how to get a popup server announcement on ivisist
wla: who is there?
star: no
star: what do you mean
star: like an instant message
star: i think you can find people pretty easy
Bed-In NZ: helllo wla, we're fasting for world peace
star: i would join you guys in your fast but i work in a hospital ........i need to function
star: you 2 make me long for my bed a my wife
star: and my wife
star: my typingis reall y bad
star: what do you guys have here an ibook
Bed-In NZ: yes, we have an ibook. where is your wife?
star: in bed
star: i just got home from work
Bed-In NZ: why don't you join her if you long for her?
star: good point my man
star: i am all wired from work i'm not ready for quite yet
Bed-In NZ: understandable. what is your take on the situation in afghanistan?
star: ready for bed
star: well i think is goes much deep tan any one realizes
Bed-In NZ: you mean the terrorist threat?
star: this starts back during the nazi's empire with the sudis and standard oil(bush family)
Bed-In NZ: can you explain more?
star: i started typing up a whole paper but stooped myself
Bed-In NZ: hi b-j, what's up?
Bed-In NZ: why?
star: it's probably better if i just direct you to some sites
star: well it......ican talk story alittle
star: witch part shall we cove first
star: cover frist
star: do youknow much about standard oil
Bed-In NZ: start with the nazi's
Bed-In NZ: a little - it was very big and then got broken up?
Bed-In NZ: hey b-j, love your pink lighting
Bed-In NZ: male 22 - what do you think of terrorism?
star: Tysen famly,hitler's right hand financle man, and Walker Family,standard oil/unionbank etc...
star: vacations together
Bed-In NZ: ok, go one...
star: ww2 almost over
Bed-In NZ: ye...
Bed-In NZ: yes, we're fasting for world peace - to find out more, go to http://www.twcdc.com/bed-in-for-peace.html
Bed-In NZ: END OF CHAPTER THREE (IGNORE)
funfunfun: amy look's every good and taste
Bed-In NZ: sorry mate, you're out of here
star: Borman,hitler's main dude in charge of $ loots 18billion fromEroupe a good chunck of that money goes to who American standard oil and ,who ..Suadi Arabia and the first company to do biss w/the Saudis was .... standard oil
funfunfun: (private) hi
*** Bed-In NZ has booted funfunfun ***
star: was funfunfun nasty?
Bed-In NZ: he made some suggestive remarks to amy... he had to go...
star: if the US would just move to H fule cells like Japan & Germany
chaos: hello
Bed-In NZ: what about renewable energy like wind, etc. I think people could produce their own energy and not have to rely on big monopolies
star: oh absolutely
Bed-In NZ: chaos, what do you think?
chaos: of what
star: but there going to do just what they did with the Coke bottleto oil
chaos: huh
Bed-In NZ: anything - terrorism, energy, world peace...
chaos: oo
star: amy going night night
Bed-In NZ: got a spare cigarette?
star: oh just reading
chaos: jep
star: don't smoke cigs
star: i'm a lung plumber
Bed-In NZ: where are you?
chaos: in the nederlands
chaos: holland
star: sweet
Bed-In NZ: oooo lots of green bud and hashish... yum, yum
chaos: very bad typis here
chaos: smoking pipe
chaos: wiat some musik
star: maui wowie baby
chaos: ken jou here it
Bed-In NZ: sounds chaotic, we only have 33.6k modem
star: no i have my speaker off
chaos: haha
Bed-In NZ: quite like the heavy distortion tho'
chaos: aha i have cabel
star: but if i did have it on i would here you
chaos: imac
star: everyone i talk to w/the mic sound all echoie
Bed-In NZ: good for you... we are in the middle of nowhere... lucky to get dialup
chaos: iam at home
star: T1
star: home
chaos: t1??
Bed-In NZ: not ti!!!
chaos: waths the time there
chaos: its here 13:10
Bed-In NZ: 12:14 am Sat morning
star: so Any think my pres may have known about the attact and did nothing accept gat ready to look like superpresident
Bed-In NZ: sorry, 00:14 saturday
star: 1:16AM
chaos: its vrijday
star: saturday?
chaos: its here the day before saturday
star: andy anythoughts?
Bed-In NZ: confusing, isn't it...
chaos: jep it sure is
Bed-In NZ: sorry, i didn't quite understand your last statement
star: which one?
Bed-In NZ: superpres.
marco 06: good morning from Monaco
chaos: good morning
chaos: he star du jou skate
Bed-In NZ: hello marco, we are fasting for world peace
marco 06: all ready in bed andy :):)
star: well the last election was basicly a cue da ta , the man was not elected
chaos: he iam going to my chat room
Bed-In NZ: he chaos you're killing us smoking thos cigs when we're trying to give uyp
chaos: sorry
star: yeh dude
star: iplumb lungs for a living
Bed-In NZ: no worries mate
chaos: jso now jou can see it
chaos: cant
star: call me when you need your airway suctions or you can't breathing any longer
chaos: haha
star: serious
star: that's what i do for my job
chaos: jour serius
star: ha
chaos: joker
Bed-In NZ: about bush... the press recounted the votes and in fact he lost... that didn't get a lot of coverage 'cos we all had to "pull together" . bullshit!
star: i can also put you on life support if need be
chaos: oke
star: see...bushed needed this war
chaos: come back tonigt
chaos: then i need it
Bed-In NZ: i think the whole planet needs life support
chaos: i tink
star: dam right
chaos: and now some green stuff
star: strange drren liquid
chaos: to drink
Bed-In NZ: just one drag of your cig, chaos!
Bed-In NZ: no, no, dont tempt me with the green stuff!!!
star: far out....
chaos: cheers
chaos: he man come to chaos place
star: there's a German connection w/all this
chaos: in the european union
Bed-In NZ: what's the attitude to afghanistan in the nederlands?
star: alot of this guys came from germany through florida
chaos: not much problems here
Bed-In NZ: the terrorists?
star: Bush country
star: yes
Bed-In NZ: crazy
chaos: here we got aliens
star: like ufo aliens?
chaos: jep
star: dam
jaceee: ARE YOU SLEEPING AMY?
Bed-In NZ: yes she is
Bed-In NZ: its my shift now
chaos: look here is mai frend
star: what's up w/the wamker
star: thanxs
star: hello freind
star: type o
Bed-In NZ: marco's back
chaos: huh type o
chaos: his naam is gray
star: jason
chaos: henk here
chaos: duth naam reley sucks
star: andy looks tired
star: what name?????
Bed-In NZ: sure does
chaos: he sleeping
chaos: uatomatic pilot
chaos: henk
chaos: dat name
chaos: that name
Bed-In NZ: i might check out for a while.... see you later ... i'll leave the cam on tho'...
star: good night
chaos: oke sleep wel
star: sweet dreams
chaos: and dont sleep on your mac
jaceee: hope you don't kick when you sleep... that poor imac...
jaceee: ibook
jaceee: kaunita unia
jaceee: (sweet dreams in Finnish)
chaos: do you onw a fast mac star
Bed-In NZ: thanks..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
star: bed is sounding good on my end too
chaos: haha look
chaos: very light outside
star: it's all most 2am here
chaos: at nigt
star: yes
jaceee: sun is going down here, but that's 'cause I'm so far fuckin' north, almost on the Arctic Circla -- that's just 200 klicks north of here
jaceee: 1500 here
chaos: he star iam going to chaos place chat room see ja
star: I'm pretty dam close to the equator
jaceee: good connection, tho -- now I get 25 fps!
jaceee: from you star
jaceee: almost perfect video.
jaceee: been a log time since I was in Hawaii...
star: sweet
jaceee: 1982 to be exact
chaos: he iam back nowone there
jaceee: surfin at Wiaimea or so, on the Big Island
star: nice
star: you surf
jaceee: used to, but I have been living in NOrthern Europe / Scnadinavia for 12 years
star: what's up choas?
jaceee: water's too fuckin cold for me here
chaos: not much
star: too cold
star: i 'm spoiled
Bed-In NZ: mac bit the dust....
star: andy lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaceee: bummer -- but you are still online...
Bed-In NZ: temporarily
star: oh no
jaceee: oh, hey, Andy, if you are recording, it's probably best to logoff from time to time to save the file
star: i'm out people........fast on........much love.......................
jaceee: chaos, where are yo?
chaos: he jacee dont have a web cam
chaos: holland
chaos: and jou
jaceee: my cam is being used dubbing some video right now, so
jaceee: Finland
chaos: aha
jaceee: where in Holland?
chaos: overijsel
chaos: city name is zwolle
jaceee: oh, yeah, that's on the coast east of Rotterdam, no?
jaceee: north east?
chaos: jep
jaceee: don't have a map, but I've been to Holland often... Maastricht, Eidnhoven, Amdam and Rdam
chaos: smal place
chaos: and jou like holland
jaceee: yeah, sure, have some good friends there... How did you find out about this bed-in thing?
chaos: just looking arond
jaceee: oh...
chaos: and jou
jaceee: oh shit, I have to run out, my students want some help with their web production work...
jaceee: back in a while
chaos: oke
jaceee: I heard about it on a mailing list...
chaos: oke see ja
chaos: qiut here
chaos: stil not sleeping ???
chaos: he nyc jour musik
Bed-In NZ: hanging in there
chaos: so much beter
Bed-In NZ: hi toni greetings from NZ
Bed-In NZ: that's great... well, its late here... how have things been for you in NY
Bed-In NZ: nor have we, we're disappointed with the sound, but we only have a modem
Bed-In NZ: yes, allow tho rudi is playing it cool i read
Bed-In NZ: sorry, this is not that kind of room
Bed-In NZ: we're fasting for world peace, won't you join us?
Bed-In NZ: its weird, just get these people passing throuhg looking for sex - guess its better than many other things
Bed-In NZ: i don't think i'll make it
Bed-In NZ: then there's the misunderstandings - i was talking to napoli boy!
Bed-In NZ: he was quick - i think he just wanted to connect to the bed-in - got to admit it does sound a little sexy
Bed-In NZ: what's the pic on your cam
Bed-In NZ: i c
Bed-In NZ: oh no
Bed-In NZ: where did you hear about this event?
Bed-In NZ: we've had a whole slew of reactions to it : from brilliant to pathetic
Bed-In NZ: do you know anna mccarthy in the film dept
Bed-In NZ: like what?
Bed-In NZ: good question, we're asking ourselves that... we felt so powerless
Bed-In NZ: oh ye...
Bed-In NZ: yes
Bed-In NZ: not exactly...
Bed-In NZ: although all my work involves interventions in public space - sometimes personal ones...
Bed-In NZ: amy is a visual artist writer and educator
Bed-In NZ: i started a group called together we can defeat capitalism
Bed-In NZ: you know, "culture jamming" type stuff
Bed-In NZ: sure, well here we are!
CAMI: hai
CAMI: remember me
Bed-In NZ: toni - Ok later...
Bed-In NZ: o hi
Bed-In NZ: right on
Bed-In NZ: hey cami who's in your still?
Bed-In NZ: END OF CHAPTER FOUR (IGNORE)
Bed-In NZ:
Bed-In NZ: what time is it in korea?
Bed-In NZ: funny, i guess we're all just looking at each other...
Bed-In NZ: and at ourselves
CAMI: andy
CAMI: where is amy gone
Bed-In NZ: yes, its fascinating...
Bed-In NZ: yes cami
Bed-In NZ: amy is asleep to my left
Bed-In NZ: cami, you are in korea?
CAMI: yep
CAMI: why ?
Bed-In NZ: was wondering what people were saying about the recent events in NY and afghanistan
CAMI: you meen korean
Bed-In NZ: yes
CAMI: well
CAMI: i am israely
CAMI: i have mostly foriegn friend
CAMI: off cours all shocked and mown
CAMI: any way
CAMI: the Korean i know are updated all right
CAMI: and wish for prosperity by peace
Bed-In NZ: shocked about the terrorism, the bombing of kabul, or both?
Bed-In NZ: well, we all have walls that sometimes prevent us from interacting.
Bed-In NZ: that actually must add another level to the discussion, seeing a thread of a conversation without the origin.
jaceee: yup
jaceee: okay, I'm outta here...
jaceee: see you tomorrow
Bed-In NZ: good, so everyone can hear the audio - maybe that is the missing link for this program.let's see, getting back to the other project i am doing to break down the walls (so to speak) of the medium is holding dinner salons, or really dinner parties and discu
Bed-In NZ: whoops, another thread of conversation. anyway, broadcast the dinner and discussion on the internet as if you were a member of the intimate dinner party.
Bed-In NZ: i could (i always can sleep) or i can continue, whatever.
Bed-In NZ: well we discussed that option and are just going with the flow at this point and crashing when need be. it does seem that as long as we are able to have one person be awake and "moderating" the event would be a good idea.
Bed-In NZ: it's no problem, and people keep appearing all of the time, dropping in, out, looking confused, or....
Bed-In NZ: another confused looking boy hightailing it out of the bed-in.
Bed-In NZ: no, i will look now.
Maximus: Hello
Maximus: Atlanta, GA here
Maximus: where is your cam man
Maximus: true
Maximus: don't see you
Maximus: ok
Maximus: Amy. How are you
Bed-In NZ: wow, that's awesome toni, so great to see the images up in another location next to each other, does seem to bring the performance somewhere else.
Bed-In NZ: hello maximus, i am fine, a bit tired. how are you?
Maximus: Well today. Just starting my day
Bed-In NZ: yes, tell me what it is like day to day these days on the east coast of the usa.
Maximus: CDC is Atlanta. There is a lot of activity there which is positive for the nation's health.
Bed-In NZ: END CHAPTER SIX (IGNORE THIS< IT IS FOR OUR RECORD KEEPING)
Maximus: Everyone is still in a state of heightened awareness.
Maximus: CDC is in Atlant I mean
Maximus: Every day is a new and cherished day.
Bed-In NZ: right. must be buzzing there.
Bed-In NZ: has it made you cherish each day more personally?
Bed-In NZ: or filled you with dread?
Maximus: Yes it has. I make the best of every moment I spend with family, friends or new acquaintances.
Bed-In NZ: are you north or south of nyu? i believe all new yorkers have been discussing this for over a month now, but where were you on 9/11?
Maximus: Everything has heigthened sensitivity.
Maximus: I left NYC on that Sunday 2 days before. I was there for fashion week
Bed-In NZ: yes, i have been wrestling with feelings of sadness and with fear and with disgust with the presence of evil. mostly trying to come to terms with that.
Bed-In NZ: i'm trying to connect with the positve in some way, like people making the most of what is here and now.
Maximus: We all have been wrestling with those thoughts. It's almost like a movie.
Bed-In NZ: i do feel a bit isolated here from the havoc there and appreciate your personal accounts. i am originally from ny.
Maximus: We have to make the most of the present but we must also prepare for the future too.
Bed-In NZ: how are you doing that?
Bed-In NZ: asking maximus how he is preparing for the future.
Bed-In NZ: much commotion of people logging on and off the guest list
Bed-In NZ: how can we brighten the future, toni? at least so we can continue to try to prepare for it?
Maximus: Continuing with normal daily routine. Work, saving, entertainment, and travel.
Bed-In NZ: are you planning to travel somewhere soon?
Bed-In NZ: so, you too can see each other's text? right?
Bed-In NZ: it's raining here now, actually it rains here quite a bit.
Maximus: I am travelling now. I live in Maryland between Baltimore and Washington. I drove to New Orleans, LA. for a convention. I stopped a couple times to visit friends. Right now I am stopped over visiting my goddaughters.
Bed-In NZ: are you trying the audio toni? i couldn't understand if you were speaking.
Maximus: I leave for Maryland tomorrow morning
Bed-In NZ: it does feel different re: planning for the future. andy and i can barely think a month ahead.
Bed-In NZ: maximus, were you trying the audio?
Maximus: No. I drove down to NO on this trip so I'll be driving back. I still feel uneasy abou flying.
Bed-In NZ: yes. understandable. you say you are travelling for work, right? what do you do max? fashion you say?
Bed-In NZ: understand, understand, understand, perhaps this is bringing people closer together.
Bed-In NZ: trying so desperately to find "the good"
Maximus: No not fashion. I was there to enjoy an invite to a designer's sprin 2002 collection. I am in healthcare.
Bed-In NZ: busy intense time for you i am sure (as for most)
Maximus: I am a physician so I understand the public's anxiety about anthrax. However the cutaneous form is easily succesfully treated.
Maximus: The inhaled form is potentially very lethal.
Maximus: For more information please visit the CDC's website www.cdc.gov
Bed-In NZ: sorry, distracted by a giant moth circling me. very scary stuff this anthrax. what are your patients saying?
Maximus: However the inhaled form is extremely difficult to spread or disseminate in a wide area. Anthrax is not contagious.
Bed-In NZ: toni - what's the anthrax mood in nyc right now? how are your students handling it?
Bed-In NZ: hello rootsmang1. Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Maximus: The flu is deadlier than anthrax because of the way it is spread. The flu spreads from person to person
Bed-In NZ: rootsmang 1 gonei see, so you have perspective
Bed-In NZ: i keep thinking about my dad's reaction, ever the pessimist. he said that at least it isn't ebola. or maybe that's the optimist talking . as if it matters.
Bed-In NZ: we seem to have lost maximus, are you there max?
Bed-In NZ: my dad lives in fla, boca raton, actually where as i'm sure you know anthrax was first reported.
Bed-In NZ: yes.
Bed-In NZ: what is the latest on that?
Bed-In NZ: you must be worried? is everyone fearful? wow. scary, scary, scary.
Bed-In NZ: that's good.
Bed-In NZ: i can imagine!
Bed-In NZ: therapists must be overwhelmed at this point.
Bed-In NZ: have you used ivistit before toni?
Bed-In NZ: yes, that is a lot of anxiety for them to hold.
Bed-In NZ: i don't know how they do it. and doctors too.
Bed-In NZ: how does that differ?
wildi30: hi im new to this to
Bed-In NZ: hello wildi30. Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Bed-In NZ: okay, i'll check our notes later!
Bed-In NZ: i see, i figured.
Bed-In NZ: it might be useful for another project i am working on.
wildi30: i think its a sad state all the way around
Bed-In NZ: where are you located wildi?
wildi30: a visouse circle at best
Bed-In NZ: and yes, sad for everyone.
wildi30: im in iowa
Bed-In NZ: what is the mood in the "heartland"?
wildi30: fear
Bed-In NZ: yikes! makes you feel so vulnerable.how do people feel about the bombing in afghanistan and did i read today that groundtroops were there now (excuse my ignorance but we are not bombarded here by us news)
wildi30: we had one at a local post office not 30 miles from here
Bed-In NZ: really. there were some scares here in nz too with postal service disruption. true global terror.
wildi30: for the most part the anger for the lives lost here make it justifiable
wildi30: im not sure its the best corse of action
Bed-In NZ: what do you think are other options? i fear more lives lost.
wildi30: loss of life is part of war its inevidable but i morn for the inocent
wildi30: on all sides
Bed-In NZ: such a hard question. what are the answers? what can be done that would serve "justice"?
Bed-In NZ: or be judicious?
Bed-In NZ: how did you hear about the bed-in wildi?
wildi30: i dont think for the people that have died any justice can be served
wildi30: just serfed acrost it
Bed-In NZ: isee
Bed-In NZ: the concept of justice is an interesting and complex one. justice for who and at what cost and really, does it make anybody feel better in the long run.
Bed-In NZ: what are you going to do today? friday in iowa right? we are one day ahead in nz so sometimes it gets complicated.
wildi30: by the way there are no answers . human nature can not be changed
Bed-In NZ: that is what is depressing me and that i am wrestling with these days to try to come to terms with.
wildi30: im going to work at 2pm overtime today
Bed-In NZ: where at?
wildi30: i dont think its depressing theres a good side to human nature ya know yig&yang a little evil makes the good that much better
Bed-In NZ: that's what i am trying to come to terms with
wildi30: sorry i dont type fast i work for a farm eqipment manufacture we build planters and grain carts
Bed-In NZ: that's okay, gives me a chance to catch up myself. we are living in farm country right now and i have fulfilled a lifelong dream of petting both lambs and calves.
Bed-In NZ: talk about the good!
wildi30: good things are like rain thay only come in sprinkles when ya need them most
Bed-In NZ: well said wildi. and hello _ and orzowey. Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
wildi30: ya need ta come visit i run a free educational zoo on the side
Bed-In NZ: thanks toni - so far so good.
Bed-In NZ: thought we had lost you wildi. i suppose there are technical issues as well as others that need to be addressed.
Bed-In NZ: i'm looking at your site toni - very interesting
Bed-In NZ: wow! i see
Bed-In NZ: yes i am but i am also checking my e-mail. people have been writing in support of the project which is amazing.
Bed-In NZ: i love to multitask!
Bed-In NZ: i am also trying to ignore a giant moth here. the animals in nz (few) are huge.
wildi30: sorry ya did loose me i went after coffie
Bed-In NZ: i'm sure, i was going to ask you what other things you are doing. maltanews?
La ruse: salut a tous
La ruse: do you speak french
Bed-In NZ: welcome back wildi and Welcome La Ruse to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
wildi30: i do a little but not enough to get by
Bed-In NZ: i'm sorry, i don't speak french, a little spanish?
La ruse: ok sorry bye bye
Bed-In NZ: where are you signaling from?
wildi30: so what did i miss
La ruse: france paris
Bed-In NZ: are you using the audio la ruse? i couldn't understand you.
La ruse: tout a fiat
Explorer _m_: Hello all....coming to ya from Vietnam
Bed-In NZ: Welcome to the bed-in for peace Explorer. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Explorer _m_: Howdy NYC
Explorer _m_: Hey bed...how are ya?
Bed-In NZ: fine thanks, a bit tired. and you?
Explorer _m_: Good. late here too, but I'm souped-up on coffee
Bed-In NZ: how are you feeling toni and wildi?
wildi30: there dose thathelp now ya can seeme
Bed-In NZ: where are you located explorer?
Bed-In NZ: yes, you are much clearer now wildi
Explorer _m_: I'm in Vietnam....Hanoi
wildi30: ive been up over 24 hrs
Bed-In NZ: really?
Bed-In NZ: Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Bed-In NZ: why have you been so long wildi?
Bed-In NZ: i need a bigger screen to keep on top of things!
wildi30: just one of those days got up at 8am yesterday went to work and havent been ta bed sence
Bed-In NZ: sand 777777, hello.
Explorer _m_: No kidding...a bed-in for peace....(I thought it was a joke)
wildi30: i have a sick 2 year old
Bed-In NZ: oh, i see.
Bed-In NZ: no joke explorer - how did you hear about it? and why did you think it was a joke?
Explorer _m_: I don' t belong here.........
Bed-In NZ: where are you located 77777?
wildi30: do ya have a web site
Bed-In NZ: yes, mine is amyberk.com and andy's is twcdc.com
Bed-In NZ: so, nj?
wildi30: cool ill check it out later
Bed-In NZ: commuting can be a drag.
Bed-In NZ: what about you wildi? site?
Bed-In NZ: although, i like to be able to walk or bike to work. makes a huge difference.
wildi30: no, just email
Bed-In NZ: what work do you do 77777?
Bed-In NZ: and wildi, what did you do to enhance picture quality?
wildi30: turned a light on
Bed-In NZ: are you trying the audio 7777, we can't hear you.
wildi30: simple
Bed-In NZ: ah, sometimes the simplest things do make a difference
wildi30: yha like i said ive been awake a wile not thinking to fast
Bed-In NZ: some audio coming through but not intelligible (not a judgement, just a reality)
Bed-In NZ: what animals do you have at the zoo?
wildi30: lions tiggers and bears oh my
Bed-In NZ: really? well, we must not be in kansas anymore!
wildi30: 177 animals 53 species
wildi30: no iowa
Bed-In NZ: hello firewall. Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
firewall: hi bed-in
Bed-In NZ: that is a lot of animals, where in iowa? and, wow, it would be nice to have coffee right now. how can one be expected to work in the wee hours without beverages of some sort?
Bed-In NZ: where are you located firewall?
firewall: i'm in italy
firewall: milano
firewall: ciao ny
firewall: bene e tu?
wildi30: we use the animals to take to elementry schools for educational purposes and for pet theropy for the mentaly & phisicaly handycapet
firewall: sei negli states?
Bed-In NZ: bien. i was in milan very briefly once. you look very blue.
firewall: e' ora di cena
firewall: alla prox
firewall: hi all
Bed-In NZ: i couldn't hear much, but welcome kenneth, where are you located?
Bed-In NZ: yes, how are you?
Bed-In NZ: Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Bed-In NZ: great, but i think i'll stick to text so i don;t wake andy!
Bed-In NZ: did you say you are in hong kong ken?
Bed-In NZ: i am fine thanks, can you use text ken?
Bed-In NZ: the birds have started singing here. it is now 6 a.m.
Bed-In NZ: okay ken, catch you later.
Bed-In NZ: oh, i see that ken can't use the text function? i'm still a bit confused about that.
Bed-In NZ: that sounds great ken. can you see this text?
Bed-In NZ: yes, i understand you. can you see this text?
Bed-In NZ: okay ken, talk to you later!
wildi30: i dont think he understood
Bed-In NZ: no, i'm not sure he could read the text part, or perhaps he wanted to practice his english.
wildi30: well he needed it
Bed-In NZ: hello meridian! hello leo! Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Meridian:
Bed-In NZ: where in brazil?
Bed-In NZ: come in meridian!
Bed-In NZ: i travelled to brazil a few summers ago.
Meridian: Still trying to catch up with this new fangled technology
Bed-In NZ: i know, you will get the hang of it.
Bed-In NZ: leo, we are discussing world peace, for sex you will have to look ele=sewhere.
Bed-In NZ: welcome back la ruse.
Meridian: Anne is being shy.
*** Bed-In NZ has booted Leo ***
Meridian: No she says she isn't shy.
Bed-In NZ: i would talk to you but andy is trying to get some rest. so is it anne and tony at the keys?
Bed-In NZ: so it's 10 in sf now and you just got into the office?
Bed-In NZ: wildi and toni - friends of mine in sf just joined us. they run an amazing non-profit gallery there where the youth program is based.
yashesspace: well now that we have the ground war going and America has lost a helicopter and two pilots ..... I would say we are ahead of further disaster
Bed-In NZ: hello jaceee, welcome back.
jaceee: good afternoon!
jaceee: how's it going?
Bed-In NZ: i don't really speak french, sorry
yashesspace: The refugie crissis is getting larger by the minute
Bed-In NZ: very well. lots of interesting chat. andy and i are exhausted and very hungry but the project continues!
Bed-In NZ: peace will be achieved!
Bed-In NZ: no problem cesar.
Bed-In NZ: yash - what do u mean re: ahead of further diasater?
Bed-In NZ: how are things in finland this afternoon?
cesar III: tchine tchine ))
jaceee: well, cool, leaves on the ground. quiet.
jaceee: I am getting sick of my own watching of BBC
yashesspace: my boss has his TV on CNN all day here in the office so I am most of the time really arround the information
jaceee: it is such bullshit mostly, even the "human interest" reports... somehow, I feel like it's all bullshit...
Bed-In NZ: we don't get any of that here. we rely on internet sites. i also am feeling like that jacee. i mean, what is the real deal? we will probably never know.
Bed-In NZ: i think it is all runaround too.
yashesspace: well if it really gets to groundwar America will have to take on losses ...... for a while this will be accepted ...... but it will end like Viatnam .... you can not fight a Guerrila war if it is not your country and Winn
Bed-In NZ: many countries have found that to be particularly true in afghanistan.
CB66: Hello all
Bed-In NZ: hello cb66, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
CB66: ok
cesar III: yes
yashesspace: Well I feel the news are important ..... mind you I speek German English Spanish and Portugeese so I listen to all the diffrent points of view of news ..... ad them all and you get a relartiveley neutral result
yashesspace: Hi CB66
Bed-In NZ: that must really help to get some perspective on what is real.
yashesspace: He is gone ...
Bed-In NZ: yes, not interested in political discussion, many people cruising around, we have had many masturbators today.
cesar III: lol yae
yashesspace: Well at least we have vissuals nowadays ....... and dont get the twisted mouth to mouth propaganda news annymore ..... what is real and not ... is always the question
Zorro: hello room
Bed-In NZ: true.
Zorro: how are u doing
Bed-In NZ: hello zorro, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
yashesspace: It is the Weekend ..... people get dirty
yashesspace: Hi Zorro
cesar III: hi zorro
Zorro: well first of all i really appriciate your love for peace
yashesspace: where is your picture .... cam not working?
Zorro: this world really need your kind of people
Zorro: hi ceaser
Bed-In NZ: we are okay, tired and hungry but preservering, talking to people from all over and trying to figure out what is going on and what we can do.
Zorro: but let me tell u i am from Pakistan an muslim
Bed-In NZ: thanks zorro. where are you located?
yashesspace: well ... be right back need a cofe ........
Zorro: well i may be of an entirely different views
Zorro: but the bottom line is the same peace
Zorro: and peace for all
Zorro: all the human drace
Bed-In NZ: what's going on in pakistan now?
Zorro: race and peace on the world
Bed-In NZ: yes, peace for everyone! that is the quest, how we get there is the question.
Zorro: u should see it in the scenario after 11 sep
Zorro: the history goes at least 50 years
Bed-In NZ: tell us what happened.
Zorro: the Paksitan is a country which had 2 enemies on the 2 longest borders
Zorro: India and Aghganistan
Bed-In NZ: right.
Zorro: after a long war of which Paksitan had paid a very heavy price just to get its one border secure thats AGghanistan
Bed-In NZ: when did that war end?
Bed-In NZ: hello maury, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Zorro: the USA stranded Paksitan, President was killed beleived to be by USA
Zorro: in 1987
Bed-In NZ: okay, thanks. right.
Zorro: so finally we had a secure Afgan border
Zorro: in and after Afgan war
Bed-In NZ: and?
Zorro: we had 2.5 million registered Afghan refugees
Bed-In NZ: wow.
Zorro: and about the sasme number of illegal immigraent
Zorro: so that was the situation when the 11 sep incident happened
Bed-In NZ: what's the population in pakistan?
Zorro: i don't think there was not a single eye which did not shed tears on 11 sep
Zorro: its 140 million
Zorro: we have 70000 dead in Kashmir's freedom stuggle
Bed-In NZ: thanks. yes, that was a very difficult and emotional day.
Zorro: in last 10 years
Zorro: so our country is a worst terrorist hit country
Zorro: and we know how the USA must have felt
Bed-In NZ: how can all of this violence turn to peace? is there any way change can happen without bloodshed?
Bed-In NZ: yes.
Zorro: and there were 53 officially dead Pakistani's in new york
Bed-In NZ: how do the afghan refugees and the pakistanis get along?
Zorro: yes peace is not difficult if we really want peace
Zorro: well we share the same bread
Bed-In NZ: what do the people of pakistan want? what do you want? and how do you think we should get there.
Zorro: that country had 15 million population
Zorro: out of which 1.5 million died in 20 years of war
Zorro: 5 milliom got injured
Zorro: 5 million displaced
Zorro: its real hell on the world
Bed-In NZ: and yes, people are people all over, i think that is the key, to break down boundaries of fear of the other and replae those thoughts with those of brotherhood.
Bed-In NZ: that's 2/3 of the population!
Zorro: yes
Bed-In NZ: is there anyone left in afghanistan?
Zorro: and blood is a blood its not christian , its nit muslim its just a human
Zorro: blood
Bed-In NZ: right!
Zorro: yes a lot of people to futher face the miseries there
Bed-In NZ: why don't more people see that?
Zorro: the country has no railways 90 % is with out electricity
Zorro: the governements are not intersted in ti
Zorro: it
Zorro: what now i think the present situation
Zorro: in Afghanistan is
Bed-In NZ: what is really going on in pakistan now? i have trouble believing what the news reports say.
Zorro: yes there is a lots of trouble
Bed-In NZ: right, it does sound like hell. how can the people be "helped" there?
Zorro: when the news come that US troops are using the Pakistani soil
Zorro: it sparks the truble
Zorro: well actually i don't know how to stop it now
Bed-In NZ: okay.
Bed-In NZ: hi davit, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Zorro: but what i know is that this attack on Afghanistan is taking the world to futher polarization
Bed-In NZ: i don't think that anybody does!
Zorro: we all must think think hard
Zorro: and get the world out of it
Bed-In NZ: that is very sad. one thing that could come out of the tragedy is for the world to come closer and unite together and that opportunity is being lost.
Zorro: in such a way that terrerist who so ever they may be must be dealt severly
DAVIT: oui mes desolle je compronde pas angle tu ce parller en français
Bed-In NZ: it seems the opposite is happening.
Zorro: yes
Zorro: terrorist must be punished
Bed-In NZ: sorry davit, no francais.
Bed-In NZ: yes. but how?
DAVIT: ok c'est pas grave
Zorro: and must get into the details why this war was taking a war of christians and muslim, which it was neve was
Zorro: get the real culprits
Zorro: if Osama is the man then there has to be somen one on his back
Zorro: so both of them to be aprehended
Bed-In NZ: right. how did that start? and how can we get it to end. we know that it is not a war between christians and muslims.
Bed-In NZ: yes.
DAVIT: z
orro que tu parller de musl
Zorro: well must give an other try
Zorro: the war to stop immediately
Bed-In NZ: another try to?
Bed-In NZ: what do you think will happen if it doesn't?
Zorro: and when only when all the peace efferts have failed then the war to be resorted
DAVIT: zorro que tu parller de muslim
Zorro: well its goingto be a big tragedy
Bed-In NZ: yes, i agree with you.
Zorro: becaue getting the Osama in this way may produce thousand more Osama's
Zorro: so let it be through UN
Zorro: and tell reason out
Zorro: Give the proof of Osman in the press
Bed-In NZ: i agree with you here too and that must be avoided. it is bigger than one terrorist, it is why this call to terror exists that is the truly scary part and the part that must be addressed.
Zorro: must do it give the solid proof
DAVIT: zorro ouvrire ton wep cam
Zorro: to the press
Zorro: then things may change
Zorro: other wise let the governement behave more maturly
Bed-In NZ: i hope that your ideas are enacted zorro so people will unite together to work for positive change.
Bed-In NZ: the us govt. i assume you are talking about?
Bed-In NZ: or govt. in general?
Zorro: yes all peace loving people should unite
Zorro: and should go out in the streets but to
DAVIT: zorro esque tu et un muslim dit moi???
Zorro: i mean not go out
Zorro: in the street
Bed-In NZ: how can we do this on a larger scale?
Zorro: but no street power
Zorro: must have saminars and let the inteletuals speak on the issue
Zorro: with this prssumption that what all i am thinking may be absolutly wrong and may be there is only war is the solution to the crises
Bed-In NZ: i see. people need to get going on this as more and more violence erupts.
Zorro: so whats is important to have large scale discussion with open mind
Zorro: and no street demonstrations
Bed-In NZ: right, it is hard to know which is the best way. is there ever any best way in situations like these?
Zorro: yes no violence at all
Zorro: is it very late there in NZ
Bed-In NZ: people turn to war because it is familiar? easier somehow than to address fundamental issues.
Bed-In NZ: are people ready to solve their problems in another way?
Bed-In NZ: yes, it is 1 am here. what time is it in pakistan?
yashesspace: well i am back ..... onley a few minutes ..... would love to hear a bit more of zorros point of view ..... but no time .... later possibly ... now I have to totally rearange the computers here ......
Bed-In NZ: yash, in ibiza what time is it?
yashesspace: wow andy asleep again
Bed-In NZ: i can no longer figure that out in my weakened state.
yashesspace: 2 pm
Bed-In NZ: yes, andy is asleep again.
Bed-In NZ: zorro has made some interesting points that you should check out.
yashesspace: you guys not drinking or eating at all ..... not evn juice and fruit??
Bed-In NZ: i hope he returns. i have many more questions for him.
Bed-In NZ: no, although next time i might try juice as well as water.
yashesspace: well I hope to be able to read your log some time in whole
Bed-In NZ: we figured it was just two days, how bad could it be?
Bed-In NZ: so, you are off to work now yash?
yashesspace: well a little fruit is good .... my mum is a nutritianist so I know a little about fasting ...... a verry healthy thing ......
Bed-In NZ: yes, i agree. she thinks a little fruit makes a good fast?
yashesspace: well I came back and Zorro left ...... maybe later then
yashesspace: well she seis the boddy needs to be wound down beffore one goes into no food at all
Bed-In NZ: okay yash. have a good one, we'll be here another 19 hours (sounds like alot when you write it like that)
Bed-In NZ: good body advice.
yashesspace: Ok see you later .... got to do some serious work ....
yashesspace: ciao
Bed-In NZ: bye
Bed-In NZ: jaceee? you there?
jaceee: looks like ou have been busy
jaceee: I am under a bit of stress as I got a request for a recommendation that I have to react to today, among other things
jaceee: I' doing a sabbatical-replacement at CU-Boulder next spring
jaceee: for Mark Amerika
jaceee: but the dept chair wants a rec
Raven: hi
jaceee: so I have to bother a friend who just finished a bunch of recs for me for other things
jaceee: blah blah blah
jaceee: is Andy sleeping?
Bed-In NZ: hi raven, Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Zorro: am i talking to Amy
Bed-In NZ: hi jaceee, yes andy is sleeping. we have been taking it in turns.
Zorro: is it very late there in NZ
Bed-In NZ: hi zorro, yes this is amy and jacee from finland is also here.
Zorro: cool
jaceee: yes it IS cool
Zorro: Jaceee how ru
jaceee: doing okay, except for being depressed at what the US govt is doing
Bed-In NZ: we can see you now zorro.
Bed-In NZ: where in pakistan are you located?
Zorro: i am inthe nations capital
Zorro: Islamabad
Bed-In NZ: right.
Bed-In NZ: how did you hear about the bed-in?
Zorro: just moving here and ther
Bed-In NZ: in ivisit?
Zorro: i saw the rooms name and frankly i thought its some thing else
Zorro: so i came here
Bed-In NZ: i think a lot of people have made that mistake.
Bed-In NZ: welcome back new york city
Zorro: yes but it was a very good mistake from my side
Zorro: u see after being disconnecyed i came back to the room
Bed-In NZ: for us too.
Bed-In NZ: yes, we saw.
Bed-In NZ: hello michael, skippy and thom, Welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Zorro: now i think u can see me better
Bed-In NZ: this is the best way to weed out people not interested in the topic.
jaceee: yes, that's a good tactic...
Zorro: Jeceee can we hear any thing from u Direct from Finland
Zorro: ok
jaceee: like ... news?
Zorro: no your personal views
Zorro: that more important
Bed-In NZ: on and off, we had quite a conversation earlier in the day. yash was back briefly and now jaceee is here again along with our new guest zorro from islamabad.
Zorro: we should not neglect us the comon people
jaceee: the Finns are totally reserved about this (and everything else in the world)... it is a very isolated and "safe" corner of the world and they don't want to get into anything with anybody! except Nokia!
Zorro: well u know now its with or against the terrorist
jaceee: They have a living memory of savage war conditions where they were caught between the Russians and the Germans
Zorro: thats the option given to our country too
jaceee: and both sides screwed them...
clevo: go the ibok in bed lol
clevo: ibook sorry
jaceee: I think countries who have living memory of war on their land experience the wworld differently
Bed-In NZ: why is there no middle ground, like being against the terrorists but also against military force? is that possible
Bed-In NZ: ?
Bed-In NZ: hello clevo, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
clevo: i live in brisbane australia
clevo: peacefull as here
clevo: hey
jaceee: well I think the concept of being "against" terrorism frames it wrong...
jaceee: it is not a "foe" to oppose
Bed-In NZ: tell us more jaceee.
jaceee: instead one needs to be FOR conditions that do not support terrorism
jaceee: like justice and equality
Bed-In NZ: exactly! good point jaceee.
clevo: i think both sides are wong and they shouldt have war but in saying that i think the muslim fundamentalists are f*$ked up in the head
Zorro: yes
Zorro: why we all can think in this way
jaceee: opposition to something strengthens it. this is an old paradigm
Zorro: hey u have got brains i must say that Jecee
jaceee: pushing against a phantom will only strengthen the phantom
Zorro: but we have to fight it out too
Zorro: how to fight it
nieuwenhuys: amy
nieuwenhuys: ?
Bed-In NZ: hello nieuwenhuys! how are you? we are speaking with people from all over right now, from brisbane to finland to islamabad, and now south london!
jaceee: Amerika has always had tis identity problem -- where it ties its identity to its alter ego
jaceee: the cold war
jaceee: the war on drugs
Bed-In NZ: hello ra, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
jaceee: and now the war on terrorism
Zorro: yes
jaceee: nothing new
Bed-In NZ: yes, andy is unfortunately asleep. he has been very busy today.
jaceee: except it cannot be "won"
jaceee: like the other ones
jaceee: so all the talk of strategies miss the point
Bed-In NZ: i agree with you that the concepts need to be shifted from "winning" and "losing" to promoting positive growth and change but i think people's idea of positive may differ.
jaceee: Amerika simply has to stand up against the conditions that cause hatred... bombing it the wrong way
jaceee: just take Isreal and Palestine as a micro example of the potential for what is now happening between the US and its ENEMY
clevo: the taliban are run by bin laden and he is a nutcase
Bed-In NZ: yes,zorro. please.
clevo: i think they have to stop him
clevo: by force
Bed-In NZ: but how is the question so that more bin ladens don''t appear?
clevo: the yanks have to stop exploiting the middle eastern people
clevo: leave them to fight with each oter
clevo: but they but the yanks wont cause of the oil
clevo: the arabs will always fight its their culture
Zorro: which arabs are u talking about
jaceee: well, historically, Arabic culture flowered during several different eras -- when the Christian world was really in shit condition...
Zorro: Palestianians
clevo: although everyone claims that islam is peaceful a lot of islamic prophets are pshycos
jaceee: I know a lot of Christian psychos...
clevo: true
clevo: theyre worse
clevo: except they are not violently fundamental
clevo: every five minutes i hear muslims declaring holy wars on this that and everything
jaceee: THere are probably the same percentage of BinLaden-types in the US -- except not Arab, ut WASP
Zorro: ok now comment on President declaring crusader
jaceee: surf the net some and check out the hate sites from US paramilitaries...
Bed-In NZ: wow, clevo, steady. think about who's media you are listening to and what their point of view is.
jaceee: but WASP, that is
clevo: yeah but theyre not the majority
clevo: and they dont run the country
jaceee: neither is Bin Laden the majority
clevo: but bin laden is running a puppet regieme through the taliban
jaceee: well, the Cold Warriors have controlled the US for more than 60 years now...
Bed-In NZ: there are alot of arabs out there, i don't think the fundamentalists are a majority there either but they get all of the media attention.
jaceee: stepping on people around the globe in "american interests"
jaceee: the politics of Afghantistan is not so simple as you frame it... you should look at the history of the region more closely...
clevo: the yanks use globilisation to exploit these countries
jaceee: why, for example did the US give the Taliban 46 million dollars last July?
clevo: to fight the russians
clevo: who knows
jaceee: the russians had left Afghanistan 8 years ago...
jaceee: it was to prop up "interests" in the region...
clevo: the king was in charge and then the pakis helped the taliban kick his but out
jaceee: the king left in 1973
Bed-In NZ: it is a very complicated issue with a lot of miscommunication.
clevo: lol
jaceee: we'll see...
jaceee: retrospect might give us the answers, at least for those who survuve
nieuwenhuys: the taliban is a curupt regime any money given 2 them will not have been used properly - the people are desperatly poor and hungry and need quality of life some how.
Bed-In NZ: yes, the people of afghanistan have been through hell.
jaceee: no doubt... the Afghan people are the ones who are getting screwed for the last 40-50 years since the British times
jaceee: or longer
Bed-In NZ: welcome to the discussion nieuwenhuys from south of london!
jaceee: avuncular -- now there's a word -- but I have forgotten the definition
jaceee: can you enLighten me?
avuncular: uncle-like
jaceee: no, is that right?
avuncular: yep
Zorro: (private) i would like to chat with intelectuals can we be friends
jaceee: okay, I can't dredge up my latin in my condition... I'll have to believe you... but what exactly IS uncle -like...
jaceee: I'm an uncle...
Bed-In NZ: hello avuncular, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
avuncular: In Latin avunculus is your mother's brother - there's another term for father's brother but I've forgotten
jaceee -> Zorro: well, at the moment I want to be in the public forum...
jaceee: of course... got it!
jaceee -> Zorro: but, no problem...
Bed-In NZ: where are you located avuncular?
avuncular: Monterey CA
Bed-In NZ: clevo, what is the word in australia about current happenings?
Bed-In NZ: hey, who's trying the audio? i couldn't understand.
Zorro: (private) no i meant was that some other time
Zorro: (private) here i would like to be part of the room
Trond2!: yep, were HERE and THERE, and EVERYWHERE!
jaceee -> Zorro: well, you can reach me via my web space... http://neoscenes.net
Trond2!: riku
Zorro: (private) u know u are one witty and intelligent female
Zorro: (private) i hope that u are a female that what i got from your name
jaceee: looks like a performance for peace...
Trond2!: well, thats technotopia
Zorro: (private) impressive page well i have just opened and started to unfold
jaceee: so, looks like I can't see NYC today either... pity
Zorro: (private) where r u in that page
Bed-In NZ: who else is out there at the moment?
clevo: how do you spell journey??
clevo: is journey right
clevo: ??
Bed-In NZ: yes, journey.
Zorro: now what are we discussing
clevo: sorry
clevo: doing assignment : )
Bed-In NZ: no problem clevo!
nieuwenhuys: hey, me (steph) and my m8 at scool (millie) did a condolence bk 4 our school, its nearly finished and we r sendin 2 the american embassy on monday!
nieuwenhuys: ok, we r goin now, hope 2 c u soon, keep up the good work, make peace not war
Zorro: so i was telling i think 80% of americans are better then myself
Bed-In NZ: i'm sorry zorro, what are you saying?
Bed-In NZ: why are 80% of americans "better" than you? in what way?
Bed-In NZ: welcome back jaceee.
jaceee: hi
Zorro: yes i was trying to tell him that its not the bed of roses its a clean room
Zorro: u asked me about how we think of USA
Zorro: they are more human then myself
Zorro: hello jacee
Bed-In NZ: tell me more.
Zorro: here comes the intellectual
Zorro: welcome jacee
Bed-In NZ: hello orange, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
orange: hi, who is really from NZ
Zorro: well i found them when i was there they are honest straight forward and hard working people
Bed-In NZ: well, i am living in nz, but not originally from here. and you?
Bed-In NZ: right.
orange: well, theworld, I think we should just kind of left each other alone
orange: I am in NZ too
Zorro: jacee u are not talking
Bed-In NZ: where?
Zorro: i will take a break Amy
orange: like if the mid-east like the way they are and the us like the way the are, man, just left it as it is
Bed-In NZ: hello aussie and jon, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
aussie4you: hello all
Bed-In NZ: okay zorro, nice talking with you!
Jon: hello
Bed-In NZ: oh zorro!
aussie4you: um.....i'm all talked out as far as S11 goes i'm afraid
Patricio: hi all
Bed-In NZ: i know what you mean.
aussie4you: is andy asleep
Bed-In NZ: see you later.
Bed-In NZ: yes, andy is asleep.
Zorro: bye jaceee
Jon: what type of comments are you interested in hearing Bed?
Bed-In NZ: welcome back patricio, how are you?
Bed-In NZ: hello jose frances, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Patricio: fine
Bed-In NZ: well, speak your mind on the current situation in afghanistan and how we can best achieve peace!
Jon: well, the global situation is fucked, and has been for many, many years. The lates events are just more in a long series of political manipulations
Bed-In NZ: very true.
Jon: as far as how to best achieve peace.........
Bed-In NZ: but how can we rectify the situation. it is too depressing to do nothing.
Jon: true
Bed-In NZ: where are you located jon?
Jon: outside of massive global revolution, i dont know
Jon: usa
Bed-In NZ: east, west?
Jon: midwest
Bed-In NZ: right. massive global revolution, hhm. sounds promising.
Bed-In NZ: bear with me, i've been fasting along with the bed-in so i am a bit slow at the moment.
Jon: Global events are controlled by forces that most people aren't aware of. It is difficult to change things when the sources of global power are secret and non- democratic
Jon: sorry to be so cynical.....but
Bed-In NZ: i agree! and that's what's so fucked. it has become impossible to even know the "truth"
Jon: exactly
Bed-In NZ: no, cynical is why we are here. to make sense of it, to try to do something for a change instead of saying things are fucked and letting it go. i am tired of feeling helpless in that way.
Jon: those that control the world don't like it when people discover and try to usurp their power
Jon: they are not open to peaceful negotiation in that regard
Bed-In NZ: right, and try to stop them by either repressive means or through intimidation or by creating an aura that nothing can be done.
Jon: yes, or killing them
jaceee: the pathway of action still lies in the establishment of dialogues with those immediately around (whether telepresent immediately) or f2f
Bed-In NZ: it is time to change that. how much longer can we put up with this crap.
jaceee: it is all and evewrything to allow another to change us and to change them, an open dance
Jon: well, people have been putting up with it for 5 or 600 years, but I agree that we must raise awareness
Bed-In NZ: we need to break through the wall of fear (s) to let that happen.
Jon: a difficult but noble task
Bed-In NZ: one person, one idea at a time.
jaceee: life is the overcoming of fear...
Bed-In NZ: that's the motto but i want more immediate change, now!
jaceee: absolutely, as we were speaking about last night
jaceee: for example,
jaceee: your event here
Bed-In NZ: please
Jon: So when the fear is overcome?
jaceee: it will be critical to see if YOU change
jaceee: much more than if the Other is changed
jaceee: unless the selfchanges radically
jaceee: how can one expect the Other to?
Bed-In NZ: good point.
jaceee: of course, the desire to change what's out there is not BAD
Bed-In NZ: it's all a bit much for me right now.
jaceee: but it is straw dog...
Jon: If one does not know the agenda of those in control, self change, while beneficial will do little to change things
Bed-In NZ: what else can happen? right - the point i was about to make.
jaceee: oh, I disagree, it will change EVERYTHING -- if your viewpoint, literally changes
jaceee: then all you perceive changes
Bed-In NZ: i mean so i come out changed. big deal, really in the big picture.
jaceee: but what is the big picture? doesn't one have to deal with the self in the universe before worrying about everybody else?
Jon: sure
Bed-In NZ: but, is perception everything? and is it fluid?
jaceee: or if you think that everything out there should change, and neglect your own 'salvation* what's the point?
Jon: define salvation
Bed-In NZ: yes, but is there a responsibility to the social, to the larger world outside?
Bed-In NZ: some of both should be present for balance to happen]
jaceee: by correcting the self, then that provides an energizedplatform to proceed
Bed-In NZ: and then...
Jon: correcting self.........please explain
jaceee: just a minute, let me copypaste something
jaceee: sorry, couldnt find it...
jaceee: but a typical confucian model -- to center th self is to affect the entire world around.
Jon: correcting self is a lifelong process. There is no single point where one can say, "ok, now i've corrected myself"
jaceee: and without that center -- for example, following an ego based model, like Bush is, it to simply create more calamity
Bed-In NZ: yes, but somehow that is not enough for this moment in time for me.
jaceee: that's right, it's not a thing that one can switch like a light
Jon: Bush is just a puppet
jaceee: what would be enough?
Jon: as are most politicians
Bed-In NZ: i don't know. if everyone was in peace and filled with love instead of anger and fear. that might be enough.
jaceee: no, Bush is a human who is on his own personal trajectory taking him along a safe pathway where the Other is to be feared first and formost
Jon: It's what or who is behind the curtain pulling the strings
jaceee: but it is always another human... I can't accept that there are forces beyond that, aka conspiracies
Jon: there has never been a time in human history that everyone was filled with peace and love
jaceee: there are a lot of scared people ot there, Bush among them
jaceee: but the process of facing those fears IS that changing process...
Jon: yes, i agree it is always a human
Bed-In NZ: right but what i think jacee is saying is that human is allowing that to happen so is complicit as well.
Bed-In NZ: i know, but i can dream can't i?
jaceee: people are acting on the fear of the Other, elemental homopobia, on both sides
Jon: but as I said, when ultimate power is hidden and not allowed to be challenged by conventional means.........
jaceee: actually all over the globe
jaceee: but isnŠt the human spirit the ultimate power? ... sorry, I am not a materialist ,-)
Bed-In NZ: hello chianti doc and heartsbreaker, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
jaceee: this is why acts like this performance CAN be everything...
Jon: yes the human spirit is the ultimate power in an ethereal sense. But that human spirit can be used for both good and evil
jaceee: otherwise, what's the point? will this act "bring down Bin Laden, or Bush"?
Bed-In NZ: hello gre, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
Jon: If it were not Bush and Bin Laden, it would be someone else
jaceee: I think there is rather than good/evil, rather the flowing of energies and the blocking of enegies
jaceee: humans tend to block energies, obstruct and re-form, hold onto...
jaceee: where in nature these same enrgies simply flow
Jon: Ok, whatever term you would like to use, I think my point is still valid
jaceee: yes, right, it is a principle,
Jon: negative energy....positive energy
Jon: good....evil
Bed-In NZ: i agree with you jon, if it wasn't these two clowns it would be others like them,  it is more than the person, it is the
jaceee: right, so overcoming the blocking of energies beomes not a face-on battle to dstroy the Other
Jon: sure
Bed-In NZ: ignore that last line.
jaceee: but an internal and external examning of conditions that lead to situations
jaceee: like we have now
Jon: ok
jaceee: Bush dos not understand how the world got this way
Bed-In NZ: ideally.
Bed-In NZ: that is not what we have now, i think that is the problem.
jaceee: and he is scared, just like BinLaden
jaceee: REALLY scared
yellowred69: hi room
Jon: No politician does
Bed-In NZ: it is a face to face battle and not an unlocking of conditions.
Bed-In NZ: hello yellow, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
yellowred69: well there's a lot to say
jaceee: if you believe that f2f has to be confrontation and not something that can lead to a resolution of fears and hatreds
Bed-In NZ: it doesn't have to be, it just appears like it to many politicians currently in charge. i wish it was more about examination and solutions.
jaceee: some humans so block and distort their energies that others fall into the vortex ... Hitler etc etc
yellowred69: this f2f confrontation is not so fair i mean
Bed-In NZ: how so yellow?
Jon: well, that is an interesting theory
jaceee: and we are engaged in its practice here, now...
Bed-In NZ: how so jaceee?
yellowred69: i mean the Talebans are not my favorites but who armed bin Laden first in 1978?
jaceee: we are literally exchanging energies... if you think from a physics world-view
Jon: some humans, because they lack awareness of the energies they possess and that surround them, have those energies manipulated by others
jaceee: sending small packets of EM radiation around the globe to each other
jaceee: exactly, Jon
jaceee: because they have beentold NOT to trust their own sensual awarenesses in the world!
Bed-In NZ: true yellow, adding to the fucked-upness and energy swapping.
Jon: true
Bed-In NZ: ehere are you located yellow?
jaceee: I see this all the time as a teacher, I get wounded people who have gone thru 15 years of being told that what they perceive in the world is NOT so...
jaceee: that process alone is enough to warp anybody beyond ...
Bed-In NZ: hello sony, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
yellowred69: i mean the attack to the Usa was coward as much as the current attack to Kandahar and Kabul
Bed-In NZ: how so yellow?
Jon: there are also those misguided souls who are led to beleive that their perceptions are true
Bed-In NZ: like so many of us/them.
jaceee: I have to hold on to the belief that what I perceive in the world, MINUS all the cultural and social bullshit I have been taught IS something important...
Sony: my english is poor but i would try to give you my feeling about the war
Jon: It is important
jaceee: it is when those warped cultural /social filters are brought in where things go to hell...
yellowred69: do anyone wonder why the FBI didn't manage to detected such well organized (unfortunately) terror attack in NY and Washington and the day after they had already arrersted
Bed-In NZ: great, we are listening
yellowred69: all the muslim in USA?
Bed-In NZ: yes, it is importnat jaceee.
jaceee: like that what Christ experienced is somehow more valuable that what I am experiencing day to day...
Jon: The Current events have little to do with Bush/BinLaden
yellowred69: They have little to do even with Allah and God as well
jaceee: they are simply sould who are floating along without exorcising their fear, afraid to change
Bed-In NZ: very little
Jon: this "war" is about economics and maintaining power and "order" to benefit some at the expense of others
yellowred69: Every event happening in the middle east as always something in common: petrol
jaceee: it's about life... one can read the "anals of imperial rome" by tacitus
jaceee: and do with out CNN BBC easily
Jon: agreed
jaceee: annals, sorry ; -)
Bed-In NZ: right, but there are also very oppressed peoples at stake. i suppose on all sides!
jaceee: also has greed in common...
Jon: yes, and they must stay oppressed for those in power to maintain their power
Bed-In NZ: always
Bed-In NZ: right. how can this be changed?
jaceee: until I left the US Ididn't imagine or understand that the Americans are very oppressed people
Jon: If i knew the answer to that I'd be dead
yellowred69: Can't be change, is in th ehuman nature
Bed-In NZ: that is my big question? or rather, how can i change this?
Jon: if i knew the practical answer to that i'd be dead
jaceee: I tell my students that the three freedoms of Amurikan society are
jaceee: 1) the freedom to shop
jaceee: 2) the freedom to be lonely
jaceee: and
Bed-In NZ: cospiracy theorist?
Jon: true
Bed-In NZ: right and...
jaceee: 3) the freedom to get gunned down in the street or imprisoned
yellowred69: chilly
jaceee: a little xtreme
Bed-In NZ: in that order?
Bed-In NZ: just kidding, a little lightness
jaceee: but I can't hold the US society (which includes the form and execution of govt) to be so superior
jaceee: no particular order...
jaceee: so how can they be throwing their weight around in this incredibly extreme way? I don't understand the fuckin brazen egos...
jaceee: sorry, I am ranting...
Jon: That is what those in power do
yellowred69: Hey can i try to speak by my mic?
yellowred69: is my first time on ivisit
Bed-In NZ: welcome! this was ours too.
Bed-In NZ: but that is why it is so frustrating jacee, the hypocrisy.
jaceee: well, that's why I don't look to oppose "them"
yellowred69: ok thanks
jaceee: it only lends them more power, their egos leech off of any attention
Bed-In NZ: we started the room yesterday at 8 pm our time, almost 35 hours ago, or something like that.
yellowred69: i must go now
jaceee: better to turn ones back and create a new way...
Jon: this is so far beyond individual egos.....
yellowred69: thanks for chatting
jaceee: well, yes and no...
Bed-In NZ: bye yellow, thanks for participating.
jaceee: if you subtract the individual from it, what is left
jaceee: bye yellow!
yellowred69: i wish the war would depends on this chatroom
Jon: the energy
Bed-In NZ: i agree with you jaceee here, it is and it isn't.
jaceee: it does.
Bed-In NZ: me too yellow!
yellowred69: if u're gonna stay for long we'l probably chat later again
yellowred69: ciao everyone
jaceee: leater
jaceee: later
Jon: bye
Bed-In NZ: bye
jaceee: I remember in the Reagan daze
Jon: who doesn't
jaceee: when I saw alot of US artists like making art about reagan
jaceee: he would do something and a bunch of artists would do something about it...
Bed-In NZ: hi rital, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
jaceee: my definition of reactionary art...
Jon: The US fighting a "war" on terrorism is like the Mafia fighting a war on crime
jaceee: I finally figured out that if you want something to change, just let those people be in their own shit
jaceee: and turn and make a new pathway
Jon: true
jaceee: definitely, jon
Jon: and hopefully others will follow in your pathway
jaceee: it's apity that few Americans will take the risk of "social" ruin by creating this new way
Jon: true
jaceee: but it is brutal to oppose the heirarchy, there can be a heavy price
Jon: true
Bed-In NZ: i believe that too jaceee,
jaceee: many in the past have paid he ultimate price
Jon: you're on a roll
jaceee: but, hey, I think I'd rather make my own way than follow their line...
Jon: many are paying the price every day
Bed-In NZ: all, everything but how to coordinate the two disparate ideas?
jaceee: that's rght, actually so many have paid in the middle east, it's not a wonder why the shit hit the fan, but why it took so long!
Bed-In NZ: right.
Bed-In NZ: sorry everyone, had to boot another stalker.
jaceee: the America Age is waning, and has been...
Jon: Many have paid in the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia....................
jaceee: another will come along...
Jon: what is the "American Age"
jaceee: like, maybe this is a gross simplification
jaceee: but I can imagine that Bin Laden, shit, imagine his home life?
jaceee: growing up
jaceee: 45 siblings
jaceee: ??
jaceee: a lost soul
Jon: common among rich saudis
jaceee: his soul is lost, he has lost his way.
Jon: according to whom
jaceee: (not implying that this is a rationale
jaceee: he has a soul, for sure, but something in his life made him the way he is, maybe?
jaceee: right?
Jon: that's true for everybody
jaceee: of course he still has the freedom to change, but he is far gone
jaceee: somehoe he came to where he is...
Jon: even if he did change.....so what.....this is not about BinLaden
jaceee: gathering angry young meen around him
jaceee: well, right, it is aout each of us
jaceee: about
Jon: europeans did the same during the crusades
jaceee: yup, the history list would be long
Jon: on and on
jaceee: poor fuckin' warped souls...
Jon: indeed
jaceee: but, hey, I have to run... I am fried, sorry for all this ranting... the Finns are none too talkative about such things
jaceee: they think that Finland will beuntouched
Jon: well, thanks for the intelligent conversation. Perhaps we shall meet again. I must go and get some things done.
jaceee: http://neoscenes.net
Bed-In NZ: my question is can you find love in your heart for these twisted souls but still work to enact change on other levels? i will leave you with that. thanks jaceee, and thank you jon!
jaceee: is my space.
Jon: ok
Jon: Bed, take care of yourself
jaceee: later Amy, please let me know how things go
Bed-In NZ: thank you both again for your intelligent words in this difficult time.
Jon: my pleasure
jaceee: I have some screen shots and stuff that I can send later...
Bed-In NZ: thanks jon, i'll try.
jaceee: next week if yo uwant
jaceee: ikewise!
jaceee: likewise
Bed-In NZ: i will jaceee. and thanks, that would be great.
jaceee: cheers!
jaceee:
jaceee: I'll leave this on for awhile after I split...
Bed-In NZ: bye, til later...
Bed-In NZ: hello, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
jaceee: hwy, mindaugas!
jaceee: are you there?
Bed-In NZ: hi mi, welcome to the bed-in for peace. We are fasting and meditating for 48 hours on world peace. Thank you for participating. We would like to hear from you about the current global situation in some way.
jaceee: I think you are behind the firewall, as I can't see your text here, and your vid isn't coming in...
jaceee: bummer
jaceee: Amy, can you see text from mi_ga?
Bed-In NZ: yes i can
jaceee: ask him if he can se mine... he's a former student of mine in Germany
jaceee: damn firewalls!
Bed-In NZ: can you see jaceeee's mi?
mi_ga: i do not see jacee's video
jaceee: Mindaugas, okay, I see your text now...
mi_ga: but i see the txt of him..
Bed-In NZ: do you see his text?
jaceee: well, I donŠt have my cam on...
mi_ga: so nice..
jaceee: how's it going?
Bed-In NZ: okay, very well, we are all texturally connected.
jaceee: I was about to head home
jaceee: been here with Amy and others in this action/happening
jaceee: you saw the announcement on neoscenes list?
jaceee: or Rhozome
jaceee: rhizome
jaceee: ?
mi_ga: the current glob situation... Well, i am too small to make any changes, it is more the game for politicians. But i understand that it is a problem. world wide...
Bed-In NZ: been thinking alot about peace and what that means and how to achieve it. and, how that would look!
mi_ga: i've got the info from rhizome/neoscenes..
Bed-In NZ: well, we have been talking about that each person can change it, as each person can change themselves. but i too have doubt about how much that will do, or rather, how quickly.
jaceee: I am actually showing 25 fps connection between us, but...
mi_ga: the peace is somehow in our minds, i think. it is impossible to be responcible for all events/actions
jaceee: oh shit, though, I do have to run, they are about to arm the alarm system here...
jaceee: you two have a nice time, mi_ga, will talk later... cheers jh
mi_ga: shit. finland!!
Bed-In NZ: yes, true, but we can't absolve ourselves of all rsponsibility? no?
jaceee: yup, security! silly sometimes.
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