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*** topic for #PORT: Eight Dialogues Introduction / PORT MIT
*** topic for #PORT set by jacee on Wednesday, January 29, 1997 11:53:30
#PORT: jacee willa murph
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jacee: Well
jacee: ?
willa: I'm here, hi.
jacee: I was booted three times in the last fifteen minutes
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willa: It's only bumped me once . . .
jacee: and now, nobody is opping this channel!
PORT1: Hello
jacee: Hallo Port!
PORT1: What's opping?
jacee: What's happening at your end, Robbin?
PORT1: PORT1 and murph are one in the same
jacee: Opping is to have a controller on the channel to keep bans frem happening etc
PORT1: I'm getting the computers connected
jacee: I created tha channel with the topic as Operator, and then got booted before anyone else came on
willa: Pretty bad when the operator gets booted
jacee: and so now there is an operator-less channel -- which is more unstable than the other way around...
jacee: So you are on two machines Murph?
jacee: Great... Is this being projected?
*** The date is: Wednesday January 29 1997 -- 12:08 -07:00
willa: Murphy told me I was *on the big screen*
jacee: Today we will just be having something of a gathering of some of the later Dialogue paritcipants
jacee: As this is the test run for the REAL THING...
jacee: How are you Willa?
jacee: Connection seems slow...
willa: I'm fine, I'm at work, so I may be in and out, off and on, . . .
jacee: ok
willa: I'm on a server in Florida, I think.
willa: It was the only one I could get connected on. I tried four or five
jacee: At the Internet service place I work for, we have seen a reall clogging of the arteries for the past two weeks
jacee: I wonder if this is the beginning of the end...
willa: I think it's the evil AOL
jacee: of the Web?
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willa: of the world?
PORT2: PORT2 has now logged on
jacee: Well, who knows
PORT2: via chicago
jacee: Hallo PORT 2 (one of robbins many personalities...
PORT2: The other two are through Oklahoma
jacee: right?
jacee: So even MIT didn;t work?
PORT2: I'm the only one in the gallery right now
jacee: Empty space? I heard the opening was pretty fun
willa: MIT didn't work for me earlier this morning, I didn't try it just now
PORT2: I can't find it on my list
jacee: MIT has NEVER worked for me...
willa: So we're on the big screen, but no one is watching?
jacee: it's irc-2.mit.edu
willa: Columbia, I guess, was the one we used before. It wouldn't work for me this a.m.
jacee: Well, that's okay, being exposed and nobody watching... This is the silence of Real History!
willa: :)
jacee: Right columbia seems to have been out since our last test...
willa: If a tree falls in the forest . . .
jacee: Yes, Dialogue is a dynamic Koan
willa: If a dialogue happens and no one is listening, did it really happen?
jacee: oh the vibes from it are expansive -- like Gravity Waves inthe universe
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jacee: So, Murph, maybe I will send you some more detailed instructions on opping and so on...
willa: gravity waves?
PORT3: PORT3 is here through MIT
jacee: Okay, three outta four on! that's impressive...
jacee: no 4/4
PORT3: Actually, all four
willa: Are you running between them, Murph?
jacee: are all four projected?
jacee: between and around, I guess...
murph: Yes
murph: Yes
willa: Have you seen how the gallery is set up, John?
PORT3: ]Yes
jacee: No, well, not really, I dont have VR, but I assume the same as Remo originally sketched?
jacee: 4 in the middle pointing out w/ prear projectors over each one
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PORT1: There are four screens facing each other in the middle of the room
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PORT1: The computers are beneath
*vd* Hi there... you like prescott?
jacee: whois
PORT1: Are you capturing the text john?
jacee: Yeah. How big are the projector screens?
jacee: Yes, I am capturing
jacee: At least to a simple text file...
PORT1: The screens are about 6 x 6
jacee: So I will plan to post those files asap to my web site...
PORT1: And hang from the ceiling
willa: The juxtaposition of text in this is interesting, isn't it?
jacee: Hey, maybe you could point one screen to the center of the UNiverse to begin with...
PORT1: OK, good. I can't figure out how to capture using mIRC
PORT1: I'm an Ircle guy
jacee: http://www.getnet.com/~bladenaz/cou/index.html
jacee: Yeah, I haven't used mIRC either...
jacee: maybe I can research that for you... You are win95 in the gallery, right?
PORT1: Yes
PORT1: Plus one UNIX
vd: Why didn't you make a web page on primenet?
jacee: is that actually a live server?
vd: primenet?
PORT1: Yes, www5.awa.com
jacee: there is a site of primenet justin
PORT1: We have the real audio and vrml on it
PORT1: Remo is learning UNIX
jacee: but go to neoscenes.net first
vd: I know.. but why didn't you put your web site on the primenet server?
PORT1: sort of
jacee: What's remo doing THAT for?
*** Signoff: willa (Ping timeout)
PORT1: Mid-life crisis
jacee: Willa timed out -- she's at work -- so she has to be surreptitious
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willa: Hi, I got bumped again
jacee: will the gallery web server have stuff on it?
willa: Murph, I'm using mIRC
jacee: I think you timed out Willa
willa: Go to the General Options icon and choose "logging"
willa: Do I have to keep talking to avoid timing out?
jacee: I think so...
willa: I can't just listen, huh?
jacee: or maybe just a carriage return would do it...
willa: Okay
jacee: No I think they have auto timeouts
willa: The server does?
jacee: whatever, I know that you are around... I guess it's not like CUSeeMe where you can lurk...
jacee: I can research that also... As that might make a difference with the gallery machines also -- being trhown off for just watching
willa: When I was figuring this out, I'd lurk for maybe thirty minutes at a time . . .
jacee: really?
willa: The different servers must have different time limits?
willa: That's just a guess
jacee: Maybe it is different on each local server
jacee: right
willa: Oh--you mean did I listen for a long time? Yes.
willa: But no one ever said anything interesting
willa: Not like us
jacee: and depends on traffic through the server maybe
willa: Time of day
willa: I think it's good we're doing this in the middle of the day
jacee: Well, so , that's why we aim to revolutionizze this medium
willa: They seem to be busier at night
jacee: BE INTERESTING ;)
willa: Is that our aim?
willa: I'm trying
jacee: definitely a night-time thing
jacee: Uber alles!
willa: uh huh
willa: I have a quote for you--"Without Art, we are but monkeys with car keys."
jacee: Of course, single dialogues are always totally different than these group things
jacee: hahaha
willa: It gets a little schizophrenic with more than two
jacee: a SoCal saying
jacee: totally
willa: like wow
willa: Where's everyone else?
jacee: One of the later dialogues will be with three
jacee: I dunno, it is difficult to get people to schedule things -- I had heard from no one inthe last couple days
willa: Do you have a good feel for the actual dialogues with everyone? Confident they'll be there?
jacee: and some say -- oh, I have class then... I think folks generally don't read the volume of what I send
jacee: Yeah, the individual things will happen
willa: I read *every word*
jacee: but I have to do a bit of prodding
willa: It is difficult in the middle of the day
jacee: I have had good tests with Alexandra, Josephine, and you, and Terhi,
willa: Have you heard from George?
jacee: Joy is an online pro and the same with Adrianne, Leslee, an old friend, I haven't heard from her recently...
jacee: Not online from George, although email is the way with him, I am hoping that he gets to gether with Bonnie, my friend at Syracuse
jacee: who will get him going...
willa: I'm glad I learned how to do this, it's fun, although I haven't talked to anyone else
jacee: He and two other friends from engineering school and I have an email list together, so we are in regular contact
willa: That's a good idea--you copy everyone and keep them informed?
jacee: He's down to NYC this weekend for a reading at KGB club -- hey murph, do you know that place?
jacee: yeah we've been doing it for two years now
willa: It's great that you keep in touch with old friends
jacee: George and I haven't seen each other since 1989 or 1988, although we write and now email
willa: It takes work
jacee: campbell, another of the four, I haven't seen him since 1985!
jacee: now he's down in Dominican Republic with his wife and kids...
willa: His job is there?
jacee: but he has been having trouble getting on an IRC server at all
willa: I'm not surprised. It's hard enough here.
jacee: yeah, acctually, he is a house-daddy, his wife is doing geophysics there
jacee: He is also a geophysicist, but home now
willa: Good for him. Does he like it?
jacee: Weeeellllll
jacee: they have a maid
jacee: I don't know what he doe all day...
jacee: I think he's a bit bored, maybe
PORT2: I'm back
jacee: They were living in british colombia -- on a little island until last fall
jacee: Hey murph- you know the KGB club?
PORT2: We have someone watching you gab
jacee: when they went to DR
jacee: well, gabbing it is at the moment...
jacee: As this is JUST the test session in preparation for the upcoming eight dialogues
jacee: no gabbing allowed then, and they will be dialogues by all measures...
*** Signoff: willa (Ping timeout)
jacee: anyway, Willa just timed out again, strange
jacee: Maybe her boss came over...
jacee: I am surprised that the MIT machines haven't timed out at all...
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willa: sorry, I fell off again
jacee: there you go!
jacee: I wonder what is going on...
willa: won't let me lurk
jacee: Maybe it' your boss
willa: if it's an auto-timeout, it seems pretty quick
jacee: yes it does
willa: ha ha. Could definitely be that . . .
jacee: like a minute
jacee: when is our dialogue willa?
willa: Right. I guess I could try another server and see if it matters
jacee: the 29th Feb
jacee: right?
willa: March 19, I think?
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willa: You'll be tired of it by then.
jacee: no way!
jacee: it's only two hours a week!
jacee: well, maybe carpal tunnel
willa: I can read the others and see what they say
jacee: it is tough to type so much so fast
willa: and your back
jacee: Okay the 19th
willa: are you a touch typist?
jacee: Well, I am standing, if you can imagine that...
jacee: no I cheat and look
willa: Don't use all your fingers?
jacee: despite HS typing class
willa: Is standing easier on your back?
jacee: yeah, I use all fingers
jacee: but not on the asdf jkl; keys
willa: My husband says he loves to watch me type. I don't have to look. Straight from my brain out the fingers.
jacee: Yeah, standing is tolerable, I admit I took a muscle relaxer also
jacee: Yeah, I envy the touch-typers of the world...
willa: So how's your back? Any better?
jacee: Actually I would like to design a standing office --
jacee: I have always found most offices and kitchens the WRONG size for me
willa: I used to work for a guy who had back problems and used a standing desk
jacee: Well, it comes and goes
jacee: I'm not treating it well enough
jacee: I need to do much more stretching
willa: ARe you swimming still?
jacee: only two days a week, the college pool has bad hours now that school is in session
jacee: and I'm working a lot more
willa: sitting too much
willa: Can you get a better chair?
jacee: spent the morning on someones Mac at their home... will have to go back
jacee: I am going to get a decent drafting chair for here at my folks place
willa: Oh, so you don't really have any control over that
jacee: yeah
willa: It really does make a difference
jacee: gotta make more money to get bac k to Iceland and Finland by end of April
willa: The laptop is difficult, though, too, probably--hard to get it at the right height?
jacee: well, I have it on a stack of books!
jacee: wierd way of working...
willa: Oh, that sounds ergonomic!
willa: Are you teaching in Iceland in the spring?
jacee: No, just staying with Loki, teaching in Helsinki in May, then to Lapland in June for a project
jacee: then to Iceland with Loki in July again, then???
willa: How's Loki? ANy new pictures?
jacee: Uh, no, only pics from Nov when he was in the US... I talk to him on Sundays. We had a fun time last Sunday laughing... But I hate the telephone. He is now sending me pictures that he does onthe computer...
PORT2: two visitors just came in then left
jacee: I am working on a new web site work
willa: I saw the one of him in the car--it was great!
jacee: Aha, you are the HALL MONITOR!
jacee: that's from last June
willa: I hate the telephone, too. Why is that?
PORT2: I tried to get Helene Posner the curator to join in but she's shy
willa: so am I
jacee: Well, it's too damn expensive - $1+ a minute
jacee: Yeah Helene, how does she like what is happening overall...?
PORT2: Three women from the Moscow center for media studies came and left
willa: We're not being interesting enough
PORT2: Helene is confused. She did the Kosuth show next door
jacee: Ask them if they know Alexie Shulgin
jacee: Well, between Kosuth and PORT, no wonder
PORT2: Lawrence Weiner is going to be in residence here next week and we're doing something in conjunction with his Palace Site
jacee: OKAY, LET"S BE INTERESTING>>>
willa: I'm not sure that's possible
PORT2: Yes, they knew Alexie, we tried to use his Refresh Ring project but it's broke
jacee: Tell him I said hello -- we met inHelsinki inthe spring of 1995 -- he wapart of a workshop program that some of my students were in
PORT2: They were friends of Douglas Davis
jacee: Lawrence that is...
jacee: Right
PORT2: Someone else just came in and left. I think all this text scares people
willa: scares me, too
jacee: Yeah, I suppose so. *hit happens
willa: You should have pictures of us up
jacee: text scares? Or words...
PORT2: Weiner is going to be in Residence at the Media Lab for two weeks
willa: text. They don't want to read it, probably
jacee: yeah, I considered audio, but I can't even do Real Audio now, I have a 68030 Mac!
PORT2: I explain what's going on but nobody seems very impressed.
willa: You could--I have real audio on my pages (little bits of it)
PORT2: One kid said he'd rather use his own computer
jacee: It is a small quiet voice. Not too many hear that anymore
PORT2: We have a RealAudio server for PORT
jacee: they don't make the new driver for below the 68040!
jacee: Rather use his own computer to do what?
jacee: talk to somebody?
willa: I make .wav files and convert them with the real audio encoder, but I can only do short ones
jacee: I mean, definitely, this is not structured as an interactive
PORT2: Type. Kids tend to be bored with this
jacee: thing
willa: I like the small quiet voice.
jacee: sure, they are fed on Images and 4-second cuts
jacee: but it' not just kids
jacee: it's everybody
willa: No one wants to make the effort to even read
PORT2: My mind is like Swiss Cheese
jacee: I mean, try the I CHING in sound bites
jacee: Yes, I identify with that... places where things float into and out of? Nothing to do with the Stupid Bowel, I hope...
willa: So you're not a fooball fan? ;)
PORT2: I've been reading Frank Lloyd Wright. Husband of the couple I'm staying with is an architect
jacee: There is always the question, in an *Exhibition* ofhow it is structured for the audience to *Enter* a work
jacee: Does Wright promote cheese as a construction material?
PORT2: They can either enter into the center of the screens or watch from behind
jacee: I think too many exhibitions are simply re-encoded spectacles
PORT2: During the opening people seemed to like being in the center
jacee: And entry is an invitation to be battered visually by...
PORT2: They watched and chatted
PORT2: Battered by text
jacee: sounds like an opening... I guess I am cynical about things that aim, at any expense to sort of engage EVERYBODY
PORT2: Ebon has interesting ideas about creating ritual spaces rather than spectacles
jacee: Just like teaching, I find that one has best to concentrate on those who are open to the dialogue, the others are either beyond it, or not ready
jacee: Yes, that is an interesting idea
willa: still here--avoiding being bumped . . .
jacee: but there are inherent conflict
jacee: good, willa
PORT2: People seem to like being engaged in conversation when they come in. I, on the other hand, hate that.
jacee: The same with exhibitions, ESPECIALLY techno ones
PORT2: It's like overbearing salespeople
willa: Exactly. I'd rather observe in my own time.
jacee: Yeah, I think if people can exist inthe space and have their own conversations, then... it's good
PORT2: I talked with an architectural historian this morning. He was excited about our projectors
jacee: Are there slides with basic info, or papers? about eight dialogues?
PORT2: sexychiQ just joined?
jacee: is that techno excitement?
jacee: Huh? i don't see anybody..
willa: It's easy to forget that this is being projected, isn't it?
PORT2: We are putting the basic info up on the wall for people to read.
willa: Is that part of your point, John, to see if the dialogue can transcend the public-ness of it?
jacee: I guess I just wipe that idea out
jacee: Definitely
PORT2: There is a little button that says sexychiQ at the bottom of my screen
jacee: I certainly don't want tit to stop at the point of Just being an Example
jacee: Maybe somebody is trying a direct dial (DCC) to you -- do you have audio on?
jacee: maybe you would hear a ring
willa: not here, either
PORT2: No
willa: Did we ever know who vd was?
jacee: scuse me, not tit but *want it*
jacee: I did a whois
PORT2: It was a message that said joine #alabama for a good time
willa: that was understood
jacee: he was *just* a chat surfer from the local net server here in AZ
willa: So did you? Join #alabama?
jacee: strange, huh...
willa: And we weren't interesting enough . . .
jacee: http://www.getnet.com/~bladenaz/cou/index.html
jacee: Yeah, I haven't used mIRC either...
jacee: maybe I can research that for you... You are win95 in the gallery, right?
PORT1: Yes
PORT1: Plus one UNIX
vd: Why didn't you make a web page on primenet?
jacee: is that actually a live server?
vd: primenet?
PORT1: Yes, www5.awa.com
jacee: there is a site of primenet justin
PORT1: We have the real audio and vrml on it
PORT1: Remo is learning UNIX
jacee: but go to neoscenes.net first
vd: I know.. but why didn't you put your web site on the primenet server?
PORT1: sort of
jacee: What's remo doing THAT for?
*** Signoff: willa (Ping timeout)
PORT1: Mid-life crisis
jacee: Willa timed out -- she's at work -- so she has to be surreptitious
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willa: Hi, I got bumped again
jacee: will the gallery web server have stuff on it?
willa: Murph, I'm using mIRC
jacee: I think you timed out Willa
willa: Go to the General Options icon and choose "logging"
willa: Do I have to keep talking to avoid timing out?
jacee: I think so...
willa: I can't just listen, huh?
jacee: or maybe just a carriage return would do it...
willa: Okay
jacee: No I think they have auto timeouts
willa: The server does?
jacee: whatever, I know that you are around... I guess it's not like CUSeeMe where you can lurk...
jacee: I can research that also... As that might make a difference with the gallery machines also -- being trhown off for just watching
willa: When I was figuring this out, I'd lurk for maybe thirty minutes at a time . . .
jacee: really?
willa: The different servers must have different time limits?
willa: That's just a guess
jacee: Maybe it is different on each local server
jacee: right
willa: Oh--you mean did I listen for a long time? Yes.
willa: But no one ever said anything interesting
willa: Not like us
jacee: and depends on traffic through the server maybe
willa: Time of day
willa: I think it's good we're doing this in the middle of the day
jacee: Well, so , that's why we aim to revolutionizze this medium
willa: They seem to be busier at night
jacee: BE INTERESTING ;)
willa: Is that our aim?
willa: I'm trying
jacee: definitely a night-time thing
jacee: Uber alles!
willa: uh huh
willa: I have a quote for you--"Without Art, we are but monkeys with car keys."
jacee: Of course, single dialogues are always totally different than these group things
jacee: hahaha
willa: It gets a little schizophrenic with more than two
jacee: a SoCal saying
jacee: totally
willa: like wow
willa: Where's everyone else?
jacee: One of the later dialogues will be with three
jacee: I dunno, it is difficult to get people to schedule things -- I had heard from no one inthe last couple days
willa: Do you have a good feel for the actual dialogues with everyone? Confident they'll be there?
jacee: and some say -- oh, I have class then... I think folks generally don't read the volume of what I send
jacee: Yeah, the individual things will happen
willa: I read *every word*
jacee: but I have to do a bit of prodding
willa: It is difficult in the middle of the day
jacee: I have had good tests with Alexandra, Josephine, and you, and Terhi,
willa: Have you heard from George?
jacee: Joy is an online pro and the same with Adrianne, Leslee, an old friend, I haven't heard from her recently...
jacee: Not online from George, although email is the way with him, I am hoping that he gets to gether with Bonnie, my friend at Syracuse
jacee: who will get him going...
willa: I'm glad I learned how to do this, it's fun, although I haven't talked to anyone else
jacee: He and two other friends from engineering school and I have an email list together, so we are in regular contact
willa: That's a good idea--you copy everyone and keep them informed?
jacee: He's down to NYC this weekend for a reading at KGB club -- hey murph, do you know that place?
jacee: yeah we've been doing it for two years now
willa: It's great that you keep in touch with old friends
jacee: George and I haven't seen each other since 1989 or 1988, although we write and now email
willa: It takes work
jacee: campbell, another of the four, I haven't seen him since 1985!
jacee: now he's down in Dominican Republic with his wife and kids...
willa: His job is there?
jacee: but he has been having trouble getting on an IRC server at all
willa: I'm not surprised. It's hard enough here.
jacee: yeah, acctually, he is a house-daddy, his wife is doing geophysics there
jacee: He is also a geophysicist, but home now
willa: Good for him. Does he like it?
jacee: Weeeellllll
jacee: they have a maid
jacee: I don't know what he doe all day...
jacee: I think he's a bit bored, maybe
PORT2: I'm back
jacee: They were living in british colombia -- on a little island until last fall
jacee: Hey murph- you know the KGB club?
PORT2: We have someone watching you gab
jacee: when they went to DR
jacee: well, gabbing it is at the moment...
jacee: As this is JUST the test session in preparation for the upcoming eight dialogues
jacee: no gabbing allowed then, and they will be dialogues by all measures...
*** Signoff: willa (Ping timeout)
jacee: anyway, Willa just timed out again, strange
jacee: Maybe her boss came over...
jacee: I am surprised that the MIT machines haven't timed out at all...
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willa: sorry, I fell off again
jacee: there you go!
jacee: I wonder what is going on...
willa: won't let me lurk
jacee: Maybe it' your boss
willa: if it's an auto-timeout, it seems pretty quick
jacee: yes it does
willa: ha ha. Could definitely be that . . .
jacee: like a minute
jacee: when is our dialogue willa?
willa: Right. I guess I could try another server and see if it matters
jacee: the 29th Feb
jacee: right?
willa: March 19, I think?
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willa: You'll be tired of it by then.
jacee: no way!
jacee: it's only two hours a week!
jacee: well, maybe carpal tunnel
willa: I can read the others and see what they say
jacee: it is tough to type so much so fast
willa: and your back
jacee: Okay the 19th
willa: are you a touch typist?
jacee: Well, I am standing, if you can imagine that...
jacee: no I cheat and look
willa: Don't use all your fingers?
jacee: despite HS typing class
willa: Is standing easier on your back?
jacee: yeah, I use all fingers
jacee: but not on the asdf jkl; keys
willa: My husband says he loves to watch me type. I don't have to look. Straight from my brain out the fingers.
jacee: Yeah, standing is tolerable, I admit I took a muscle relaxer also
jacee: Yeah, I envy the touch-typers of the world...
willa: So how's your back? Any better?
jacee: Actually I would like to design a standing office --
jacee: I have always found most offices and kitchens the WRONG size for me
willa: I used to work for a guy who had back problems and used a standing desk
jacee: Well, it comes and goes
jacee: I'm not treating it well enough
jacee: I need to do much more stretching
willa: ARe you swimming still?
jacee: only two days a week, the college pool has bad hours now that school is in session
jacee: and I'm working a lot more
willa: sitting too much
willa: Can you get a better chair?
jacee: spent the morning on someones Mac at their home... will have to go back
jacee: I am going to get a decent drafting chair for here at my folks place
willa: Oh, so you don't really have any control over that
jacee: yeah
willa: It really does make a difference
jacee: gotta make more money to get bac k to Iceland and Finland by end of April
willa: The laptop is difficult, though, too, probably--hard to get it at the right height?
jacee: well, I have it on a stack of books!
jacee: wierd way of working...
willa: Oh, that sounds ergonomic!
willa: Are you teaching in Iceland in the spring?
jacee: No, just staying with Loki, teaching in Helsinki in May, then to Lapland in June for a project
jacee: then to Iceland with Loki in July again, then???
willa: How's Loki? ANy new pictures?
jacee: Uh, no, only pics from Nov when he was in the US... I talk to him on Sundays. We had a fun time last Sunday laughing... But I hate the telephone. He is now sending me pictures that he does onthe computer...
PORT2: two visitors just came in then left
jacee: I am working on a new web site work
willa: I saw the one of him in the car--it was great!
jacee: Aha, you are the HALL MONITOR!
jacee: that's from last June
willa: I hate the telephone, too. Why is that?
PORT2: I tried to get Helene Posner the curator to join in but she's shy
willa: so am I
jacee: Well, it's too damn expensive - $1+ a minute
jacee: Yeah Helene, how does she like what is happening overall...?
PORT2: Three women from the Moscow center for media studies came and left
willa: We're not being interesting enough
PORT2: Helene is confused. She did the Kosuth show next door
jacee: Ask them if they know Alexie Shulgin
jacee: Well, between Kosuth and PORT, no wonder
PORT2: Lawrence Weiner is going to be in residence here next week and we're doing something in conjunction with his Palace Site
jacee: OKAY, LET"S BE INTERESTING>>>
willa: I'm not sure that's possible
PORT2: Yes, they knew Alexie, we tried to use his Refresh Ring project but it's broke
jacee: Tell him I said hello -- we met inHelsinki inthe spring of 1995 -- he wapart of a workshop program that some of my students were in
PORT2: They were friends of Douglas Davis
jacee: Lawrence that is...
jacee: Right
PORT2: Someone else just came in and left. I think all this text scares people
willa: scares me, too
jacee: Yeah, I suppose so. *hit happens
willa: You should have pictures of us up
jacee: text scares? Or words...
PORT2: Weiner is going to be in Residence at the Media Lab for two weeks
willa: text. They don't want to read it, probably
jacee: yeah, I considered audio, but I can't even do Real Audio now, I have a 68030 Mac!
PORT2: I explain what's going on but nobody seems very impressed.
willa: You could--I have real audio on my pages (little bits of it)
PORT2: One kid said he'd rather use his own computer
jacee: It is a small quiet voice. Not too many hear that anymore
PORT2: We have a RealAudio server for PORT
jacee: they don't make the new driver for below the 68040!
jacee: Rather use his own computer to do what?
jacee: talk to somebody?
willa: I make .wav files and convert them with the real audio encoder, but I can only do short ones
jacee: I mean, definitely, this is not structured as an interactive
PORT2: Type. Kids tend to be bored with this
jacee: thing
willa: I like the small quiet voice.
jacee: sure, they are fed on Images and 4-second cuts
jacee: but it' not just kids
jacee: it's everybody
willa: No one wants to make the effort to even read
PORT2: My mind is like Swiss Cheese
jacee: I mean, try the I CHING in sound bites
jacee: Yes, I identify with that... places where things float into and out of? Nothing to do with the Stupid Bowel, I hope...
willa: So you're not a fooball fan? ;)
PORT2: I've been reading Frank Lloyd Wright. Husband of the couple I'm staying with is an architect
jacee: There is always the question, in an *Exhibition* ofhow it is structured for the audience to *Enter* a work
jacee: Does Wright promote cheese as a construction material?
PORT2: They can either enter into the center of the screens or watch from behind
jacee: I think too many exhibitions are simply re-encoded spectacles
PORT2: During the opening people seemed to like being in the center
jacee: And entry is an invitation to be battered visually by...
PORT2: They watched and chatted
PORT2: Battered by text
jacee: sounds like an opening... I guess I am cynical about things that aim, at any expense to sort of engage EVERYBODY
PORT2: Ebon has interesting ideas about creating ritual spaces rather than spectacles
jacee: Just like teaching, I find that one has best to concentrate on those who are open to the dialogue, the others are either beyond it, or not ready
jacee: Yes, that is an interesting idea
willa: still here--avoiding being bumped . . .
jacee: but there are inherent conflict
jacee: good, willa
PORT2: People seem to like being engaged in conversation when they come in. I, on the other hand, hate that.
jacee: The same with exhibitions, ESPECIALLY techno ones
PORT2: It's like overbearing salespeople
willa: Exactly. I'd rather observe in my own time.
jacee: Yeah, I think if people can exist inthe space and have their own conversations, then... it's good
PORT2: I talked with an architectural historian this morning. He was excited about our projectors
jacee: Are there slides with basic info, or papers? about eight dialogues?
PORT2: sexychiQ just joined?
jacee: is that techno excitement?
jacee: Huh? i don't see anybody..
willa: It's easy to forget that this is being projected, isn't it?
PORT2: We are putting the basic info up on the wall for people to read.
willa: Is that part of your point, John, to see if the dialogue can transcend the public-ness of it?
jacee: I guess I just wipe that idea out
jacee: Definitely
PORT2: There is a little button that says sexychiQ at the bottom of my screen
jacee: I certainly don't want tit to stop at the point of Just being an Example
jacee: Maybe somebody is trying a direct dial (DCC) to you -- do you have audio on?
jacee: maybe you would hear a ring
willa: not here, either
PORT2: No
willa: Did we ever know who vd was?
jacee: scuse me, not tit but *want it*
jacee: I did a whois
PORT2: It was a message that said joine #alabama for a good time

willa: that was understood

jacee: he was *just* a chat surfer from the local net server here in AZ

willa: So did you? Join #alabama?

jacee: strange, huh...
willa: And we weren't interesting enough . . .
PORT2: I've never been to alabama
jacee: I was there on a greyhound once. the night that Alpha Otis was electrocuted in at the state penn
PORT2: Did you get to watch?
willa: What a memory
jacee: no, heard it via raydeeoh on the bus...
PORT2: Public executions used to be very popular
willa: *GET* to?
jacee: I was making transcripts of the voices I heard on that bus ride -- from Atlanta to Denver
jacee: uh
PORT2: We studied cases in court now about allowing the public to watch via TV in my Law and Mass Communications class
jacee: Can a public space be a personal space, and if so, how?
*DrLove* hello
*DrLove* do u recognize me?
jacee: Maybe an execution is an example, impossible for it not to be personal
willa: I think you can always create a personal space for yourself
willa: no matter where you are
Requesting DCC CHAT CHAT connection with murph
PORT2: Public space is also personal space. But there are legal differences.
willa: I don't know why anyone would want to see an execution, though
jacee: uh
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jacee: hallo
willa: That bothers me a lot
jacee: murph, my DCC ain't working right here
PORT2: Why would anyone want to watch the OJ trial?
jacee: yeah, really... The legal space of the US is , to put it mildly, abnormal
willa: same thing
jacee: other countries look on it with horror, disdain,
jacee: people want to be buffered from fate/life via law
jacee: what a wierd mediation
jacee: just another stylized social mediation means
jacee: Dammit, Adrianne hasn't showed up, Terhi either...
willa: I can't understand it. I *avoid* those things.
willa: I may be too self-involved, though.
willa: I just don't see using someone else's suffering as entertainment
willa: Talk shows, for instance.
jacee: Communications is DIFFICULT in these days of MASS COMMUNICATIONS
willa: Good point--maybe it makes them feel better about *their* lives to see someone else's pain
willa: We could have a telephone conference call . . .
jacee: Murph, is there a telephone # in the gallery or nearby, just in case
jacee: yeah, I thought about that, but who'd foot the bill!
jacee: I can't afford that means of communication
jacee: Hmmm
willa: I was JOKING!
willa: This is wonderful--people who don't understand the internet think we're making long distance calls around the world
willa: Next week I'm getting T-1 access at work
willa: Yikes!
jacee: so. An hour and 20 minutes. I am looking forward to the Dialogues. But, truely, I wonder about the impact... maybe will be immeasurable
jacee: T-1
jacee: great!
jacee: fast surfing
jacee: big waves
willa: yeah, I can't wait
jacee: hairy crashes
jacee: at our ISP, we have a 6xT1 with three routers, o there...
jacee: well.
willa: I hear it isn't very stable yet, though, you're right
willa: I'm keeping the modem just in case
willa: ?
jacee: It is surely strange to have a conversation that is interjected... I mean, this does end up being the same as a *regular* conversation, interruptions in the energy flow have the same effect
willa: I guess. We end up answering a question asked a half dozen lines ago
jacee: Maybe there is no point listening to two people talk...
jacee: yeah
willa: Actually, *I* would be interested
jacee: *THAT* part of the mediation is funky
willa: It's worse when there's more than two
jacee: it totally changes the dynamics, completely
willa: Are overseas phone conversations still like that, or is it even noticable any more?
jacee: the dipole is definitely a special configuration of psychic energy
willa: the delay
jacee: Like, the delays and stuff?
jacee: epends where you call...
willa: uh huh
jacee: Most Europe isn't bad, Iceland was terrible
jacee: the echo was ridiculous
jacee: I never made overseas calls from there
willa: I haven't done it for a long time, but I remember having to wait until you were *sure* the other person had stopped speaking
jacee: aside from the expense
jacee: Stutter step
jacee: text is a bit better, at least you can scroll it back
willa: I spent $200 on telephone calls when I was on vacation in December dialing in to my ISP to upload and check mail
willa: from the hotel
jacee: any mediated impacts the conversation
jacee: OUCH!
willa: Ridiculous
willa: But they have you in a tight spot--pay it or don't call . . .
jacee: but there is a core of contact that seems to drive right through the mediation
willa: And I can't stand to be out of touch. I'm obsessive about email
willa: Of course. We're talking to each other and disregarding the mediation to whatever extent possible.
jacee: some people are more *sociable*? others are hermits, or at least recluses
willa: I admit it. I think I'd make a good hermit.
willa: As long as there was a good bookstore nearby.
jacee: I think of it as a projection of energies, attentions throuhg the physical mediations that meet to *make contact*
willa: close encounters
jacee: nah, w/o contact w/ others, where would you be...?
willa: I like to talk to people one-on-one, but hate "social" situations
jacee: I guess I am a bit pissed with the others for not making contact to day...
jacee: sorry
willa: like parties, "required" events
jacee: distracted
jacee: yeah, I hear that.
jacee: I hate to have Light discourse
willa: It's okay, I totally understand, I would be too.
willa: Meaningless
jacee: Josephine is in London for the week with a group of radical networkers
willa: Are you a radical networker?
jacee: Uh, I hang out with bunches of them, so...
jacee: I wouldn't call myself a revolutionary, networker, yes
PORT2: Someone named Ron just asked me about text processing systems that read frontwards and backwards.
jacee: that read what backwards...
willa: at the same time?
PORT2: text
jacee: live scrolling files?
jacee: read aloud?
PORT2: He said it was a waste of time to just read left to right
jacee: oh...
jacee: I suppose it is a question of that archaic fleshy interface
PORT2: He left. He was a recent graduate of MIT
PORT2: Phone call
willa: he left because he couldn't read our text backwards?
jacee: wonder what he does with the time saved?
jacee: ;)
jacee: platitudes often come from Academia these days, rather than new ways of going
jacee: unfortunate
jacee: murph, did you see my request for the gallery telly #? just in case..
jacee: willa, what exactly are you doing at your office now -- I sense you are multitasking!
jacee: ;)
*** Signoff: willa (Ping timeout)
jacee: Do not stand on my grave and weep
jacee: I'm not there, I do not sleep
PORT2: 617-253-4680
jacee: I am a thousand winds that blow
jacee: (thanks)
jacee: I am the diamond glinton snow
PORT2: looks like it's you and the four of me
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jacee: I am the sunLighton ripened grain
jacee: I am the gentle autumn rain
willa: You *are*?
jacee: When you walk in the morning hush
jacee: I am the swift uplifting rush
jacee: of quiet birds in circling flight
jacee: I am the soft starLight at night
jacee: Do not stand at my grave and weep
jacee: I am not there, I do not sleep
jacee: (an indian prayer...)
jacee: Anyways, I was getingbored
willa: That's lovely.
willa: Thought so.
willa: Want to cut it short?
jacee: I think you missed the beginning,
jacee: Well, you gotta leave?
jacee: I have to stick around in case anybody comes later
PORT2: You don't have to make these events two hours, they can be shorter
willa: No, just don't want you to be bored. :)
willa: What was the beginning of the prayer?
PORT2: Where's you buddy Adrianne?
jacee: Well, since, for the test today, I need to be *open* for the scheduled period, ust in case
jacee: I dunno
PORT2: your buddy
willa: Which server were you on Murph? You aren't tioming out, but I am
jacee: She has a class, but told me last night she'd be here...
PORT2: I'm on MIT, Oklahoma and Chicago
willa: okay
PORT2: I think it may be my MIT address
jacee: willa, there must be a Users window -- which should list the others' IP addresses and ervers
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jacee: Hallo Lily!
jacee: Welcome!
willa: It just shows the user names
jacee: Lily is in Helsinki
jacee: are you at home?
Alma: Hello y'all!
PORT2: Hello Lily from PORT
willa: Hi Lily
Alma: Yes, We just came back from the theater.
jacee: it's 2330 for you?
Alma: No, its 22:40 here
jacee: I see you are using the univ connection
PORT2: It's 3:42 in Cambridge Mass
jacee: 3:42 pee em
jacee: Well, Lily, I can see you have a bit of a slow connection -- it's probably your modem if you have the 9600bps one...
Alma: What do you mean by university connection?
willa: Does the speed of the modem make a difference?
Alma: Yeah the modem is 9600
jacee: you IP number is from uiah...
Alma: Yes that is true.
jacee: we've just been talking off and on with Robbin Murphy (murph) who is one of the curators of the show
Alma: I have an Appletalk remote connection to UIAH network.
jacee: and with Willa in Kansas, another one of the Dialoguees
jacee: Oh, that should be pretty good connection then...
jacee: Is thi the first time on IRC, then at all?
Alma: Yeah, it's me... I am kindo of slow these days...
jacee: Did you ever talk to Terhi?
jacee: Well, when are you due, anyway?
jacee: sorry for too many questions...
Alma: I used to log into it a lot when I lived in NYC. No I have not talked to Terhi, yet. Just exchanged emails
Alma: Next Thursday
jacee: I am surprised she's not here now... she's such an IRC expert...
jacee: Wow!
jacee: how exciting!
Alma: We are looking forward to it!
jacee: It was very cool to be at that birth last week
jacee: that's my third...
Alma: Were you in the room?
willa: Is this your first, Lily?
jacee: oh yes!
Alma: Yes
willa: your third what?
jacee: birth to be there for
jacee: not counting my own ;)
willa: so your fourth
willa: actually
willa: one (my own) was enough for me . . .
jacee: Lily, your partner is working at the Univ of Helsinki?
Alma: So, tell me, how are we going to structure these dialogues. There seems to be a bit of a delay...
Alma: No, he is at UIAH
jacee: Yes, it's the dyslexic cocktail syndrome -- part of the medium... Of course, when we have our individual ones, it will be only the two of us, so...
jacee: it is easier and one can concentrate more attentively on the Other
willa: When are you talking with Lily?
jacee: Is he studying in Media Lab also?
jacee: I think Lily is scheduled for... I have to check on my browser, and I am afraid to at the moment, for losing my connection. I think in march, whatever the web site says...
Alma: He is a teacher there.
Alma: I believe it is the 19th of March?
jacee: We will connect via the IRCnet, which, FYI Lily, should be a better connection... Or you could go to school of MUUMediaBase
willa: I think that's me.
jacee: Yes, that sounds right
jacee: What is he teaching?
Alma: I will probably do it from Media Lab.
Alma: I will also send you some images beforehand... '
jacee: Yeah from Medialab, you would have a screaming connection... and probably not get kicked off any servers like we face here in the US when logging in as an independent...
willa: Lily'
willa: Lily's March 12
Alma: John, where are you right now, in Arizona?
jacee: Hey, how come one says 19th and one says 12th... hmmmmm
willa: Your web site says Lily's the 12th and I'm the 19th
jacee: Yeah, I'm on the border of the Prescott Nat'l Forest, in the pinon pines
Alma: I probably have it wrong. (I have to check on the email you sent me.)
willa: I think I'm going to drop off. I should probably do *some* work today.
jacee: The web site should be definitive, but if there needs to be a correction let me know
jacee: Okay willa, good talking with you... we'll be in touch via the regular way and thanks!
willa: Okay, it was good to talk to you. We'll talk again soon. Bye.
Alma: WOW! I am now in Tapiola. We just got back from seeing Helsinki City Theater Dance Group. They showed a pretty cool choreography of Carmen. All male dancers, making fun of the macho stuff...
*** Signoff: willa (Leaving)
jacee: the sun is shining (don't wanna rub it in), ;) and it's about 55F today, not too warm as we are up at 5600 feet
jacee: How do you find the sultural situation up there -- I am always amazed and stimulated wwhen in Finland
Alma: That sounds really nice. Listen, I need to get going because I want to talk to Kari-Hans before he goes back to the lab. (He'll be working on some stuff tonite...)
jacee: that's cultural, sorry , my keyboard is wearing out...
Alma: I really like it here
jacee: Okay, give him my regards!
Alma: But anyways, now that we know this works we try and test again sometime soon? Cool! Talk to you soon. t. Lily
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jacee: and we'll be in touch via email etc before the Real Thin
jacee: hey murph?
jacee: the clock just chimed in at 1400 here, 1600 for you... So, maybe I knock off... shortly
jacee: I suppose if you could, maybe leave one projector/machine on this channel if you can to see if anybody else drops in?
jacee: You there?
jacee: I will post this log later this evening...
jacee: Okay, I'm outta here...talk to you later.. via email... maybe call you on the phone at somepoint too.
jacee: ciao