neoscenes: supper: logfile

Session Start: Wed Jun 10 09:20:38 1998
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osea: hey john
jaceee: hey carmin
jaceee: I was just laying down for a nap on the couch in the media lab here
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osea: i'm excited, as I'm sure you are too.
jaceee: and I heard you join
jaceee: so, let me run to get my glasses, just a sec
jaceee: hot as hell in here and outside, about 25 SGI humming around me
jaceee: good morning!
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osea: is this the computer you'll be using later?
jaceee: well, I am tired more than excited
osea: log/on
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jaceee: Uh, well, yes, but I will have to disconnect in 30 min to go over the the performance site and check connections, the video beam, etch]
jaceee: log/on!
jaceee: having trouble typing
jaceee: I am so fatigued
jaceee: will take a nap between 5-6 pm 11-12 your time
osea: god -- so am I! My hands are shaking & I was up way too late last night
osea: I was doing an e-terview for Moondance e-zine.
jaceee: well, so there we go! no sweat,
jaceee: cool!
jaceee: that was with the woman in UK?
osea: No Brad Seigfreid, im MN
jaceee: ah hah
jaceee: yeah, so, Linz to Quincy
osea: He had me interview another artist, russel elden, and russ interviewed me.
jaceee: then they edit and put online?
osea: yes, in the e-zine.
osea: But if this is the computer you'll use, are you going to move it to a different location?
jaceee: Oh, BTW, there might be others online on the channel, but I am going to make it a moderated channel so that only we can speak, or I will ban people if there are probs. The audio protion of the lecture will be live realaudioed -- so maybe you can tune into that!\
jaceee: yes, I will move it from the lab to the perf space in the next bldg
jaceee: the IP address will be the same
osea: So that makes it important to test at noon, my time.
osea: I'm going to need a nap today too.
jaceee: yeah
jaceee: there is a 3-5 sec delay happening now, so we might have synching problems a bit... something to be aware of... WHat server are ou using? I am on the telia.no one
osea: Full moon, ARS performance in a new media for me, trip to NY for a 1st f2f with a cyberbud! I doubt I'll be able to sleep!
jaceee: well, why not between 11-12? then we test at a bit after noon, and then start in earnest at 0115 pm?
osea: newnet.telia.no
jaceee: Full moon, no wonder I didn't sleep
jaceee: okay, so basically we are cruising!
osea: I'll lie down & close my eyes anyway -- maybe I'll doze for a while.
osea: SO you to R a lunatic!
jaceee: the lunatic is in the .... Floyd...
osea: Oh if there's a problem, like i seem not to respond or you seem not to respond to me, then let's use e-mail as back up comm deveice.
jaceee: well, definitely tuned to the wax and wane of the heavenly bodies et al, ;)
jaceee: yes, right email back up
osea: by the way, which one's Pink?
jaceee: lemme run to the tech to see where the Real Audio can be found
jaceee: I dunno...
osea: I don't dare try realaudio during a performance on my 56kb phone live. I don't want any competition for bandwidth or and and variables to our already tested scenerio.
osea: But will this event be archived at all?
jaceee: tune into the Real audio at http://www.aec.at/ simultaneous
jaceee: oh, yeah, right, well, afterwards they will do it in the archive, and the log file will be part of it too...
osea: Listen -- i need to pack for my trip & go get some cash.
jaceee: yes, real audio, I dunno if they will video it here, maybe... definitely record...
osea: and you had to leave soon anyway, right?
jaceee: Okay, so, see you at noon
jaceee: yeah, we have to test soon
jaceee: (we, here at ARS)
jaceee: not you, until Noon
jaceee: okay, any probs, check email
jaceee: hey, what is yer telephonne numba in emergency!
osea: 617/471-8049.
jaceee: okay
osea: But I only have 1 phone line, so if I'm online, it's busy. But I have ananswering service.
jaceee: right
jaceee: where is that ISDN line?
jaceee: okay, see you at noon!
osea: Man, I just asked about a Media One, broadband width line yesterday. It's just not in Quincy yet.
osea: These peons!
jaceee: need a satellite uplink, then
jaceee: ;)
osea: I want a g'damn T1 right to my brain!
osea: Forget this kb & monitor shit! When are those sockets going to be available? What's taking so long!?
jaceee: do it gurl! need to introduce you as the first cyborg with 100 mb to the brain live, online, wired, and thriving!
osea: OH YEAH. BABY!
jaceee: LOL
osea: You know I already carry 10o MB everywhere I go already. Zip disk of my e-portfolio...
jaceee: why not!
jaceee: pretty soon you can use the new Nokia system for tele browsing to your site, so no need for media, just the phone
osea: just gotta get the laptop to haul around to show the work, not everyone has a maching that can read the zip.
jaceee: right. Well, I am payng the bank for this one, it's pretty slick
osea: well this is noce -- I've loosened up. I'm going to miss talking to you in the AM
osea: Hey talk tech to me, darlin'
jaceee: well, we can meet other than performances, of course... and we should think of other venues and ventures anyway
jaceee: I will be wired all next academic year, heavily
osea: what kind of laptop you got?
jaceee: well, how about this
jaceee: PowerBook 3400c 2gig/32megs, cd ether and modem
jaceee: PCMCIA
jaceee: it's nice
osea: soundz great. I'm droolin'. I want one!
jaceee: one of the first extant tools were the points, the arrowheads, spear points, 30,000 plus years old, what are they made of?
jaceee: chert, flint, chalcedony
jaceee: what is that?
osea: silicon?
jaceee: amorphous silica
jaceee: yep
jaceee: it's all the same
jaceee: I was thinking about this, and I remembered seeing some incredible points in a samll museum in France
osea: yes, we think we're in control.
jaceee: bloody huge things like a foot long hand crafted like a F-16
osea: but it's really a silica world...
jaceee: we are mediated by the world, but are we of the world, as I asked rhetorically before!?
osea: and don't think it wasn't the silica phantams that taught man how to craft the flint.
jaceee: or how do we interface with the world
jaceee: who then? the gods within? or fear?
osea: yes, what are we OF?
jaceee: we are of that which can not be spoken
osea: what's fear but mischanneled energy?
jaceee: right, to we channel it right -- (ooohhh using the word channeling, that will raise hackles!)
osea: too deep BEEP BEEP CAUTION Stop NOW or we'll go too far!
jaceee: okay, go to your ATM machine...
jaceee: be real
jaceee: relax
osea: what's the issue with channeling?
jaceee: deep breath
jaceee: remember that was a fad a few years back?
jaceee: channeling?
osea: no, what was the fad?
jaceee: people hooking up to previous lives et al and yakking
jaceee: I forget the famous ones -- like early 80's or soemthing, it wasn't too big
jaceee: I vaguely remember it surfacing in the media
osea: Oh, yakking with other people in the previous lives?
jaceee: right
jaceee: other lives, other times, other worlds, that kinda stuff
osea: Hey BTW -- did you answer my questions about our completion time?
osea: Do you think we'll really go til 4:00?
osea: I haven't finished reading you most recent e-mails. I saw taht you may be online & came straight to this chatspace.
jaceee: uh, well, no, I doubt four, that would be ten here, althoughI wouldn't ind if the conversation live went that long
osea: What's you guess for when you and I would be done then?
jaceee: but, if you need to leave -- I think I would like to talk to you until, say, 245? while Rakushan is talking to the audience
jaceee: then I don't know what happens
osea: What's that -- until 3 or so my time?
jaceee: right 300 pm your time
osea: it's nearly 10:00 AM now.
jaceee: so you could make that train?
jaceee: time is arriving
osea: Yep -- smooths sailing If i leave here around 3:30.
jaceee: okay, well, let's assume that, and maybe if things HEAT UP, well, we can see
osea: Ok most excellent! I feel even better, now!
jaceee: okay, gotta run to test inthe other space before the techies leave
osea: cya in cyberspace!
jaceee: okay!
Session Close: Wed Jun 10 09:58:02 1998
Session Start: Wed Jun 10 13:09:10 1998
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Session Close: Wed Jun 10 13:34:47 1998
Session Start: Wed Jun 10 13:54:07 1998
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osea: hello
osea: waiting for John
Session Close: Wed Jun 10 13:59:57 1998
Session Start: Wed Jun 10 14:01:22 1998
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osea: Oh here we are!
osea: That was WAY TOO MUCH STEESS!
osea: Oh my god -- how could we have had so many successful tests and then not be able to connect!!??
jaceee: hallo
osea: How long have you been waiting for me?
osea: I'm so sorry!
jaceee: hallo
jaceee: hi
osea: R U john?
jaceee: stay here, I am having interface
jaceee: I cant see my text entry, but stay there
osea: OK, I can't belive these problems!
jaceee: can youread me?
osea: I can see your text just fine.
osea: I assume you can see mine?
jaceee: can you read me????
jaceee: YES
osea: so you see mine, but not your own
jaceee: I may go away, but stays on , I will be back
osea: Could you color be the same color as the background?
jaceee: yes I can read you
osea: I won't be going anywhere
osea: But since I got disconnected before, I think I'll just babble to keep my connection alive...
osea: It's a beautiful day here today. Warm, but not hot, sunny New England at its best, no doubt
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mmmm: hallo
mmmm: hey kiddo
mmmm: this is me
osea: I wonder if ppl all over the world talk about the weather when they just want to makew conversation.
mmmm: okay
mmmm: faugh
mmmm: energy
osea: what, john = mmmm
mmmm: power
osea: electricity
mmmm: yeah, john = mmmmm
osea: flow
mmmm: prophetic
osea: dream
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mmmm: pulling the energz
mmmm: into the space on being
osea: blending realities
mmmm: I am HERE NOW
osea: reaching, seeking
mmmm: plz log this kiddo!
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osea: we're being logged
mmmm: storm is raking the sky to the south
mmmm: okay, repeat after me...
mmmm: I love technology
mmmm: I LOVE technology
osea: i love technology
osea: I LOVE technology
mmmm: told ya so
osea: told ya so
mmmm: I stretch and take a deep breath
osea: I stretch and take a deep breath
mmmm: were you worried?
osea: were you worried?
mmmm: fast thinking at your end
osea: (i most certainly was!)
mmmm: and some nice people here
osea: I'm cyborg -- had I noticed that I was disconnected, I would have acted much sooner.
mmmm: so pauses
osea: nice ppl are invading our empire... ;-D
mmmm: I'm happy your are cyborg,
osea: so am i
mmmm: well, contributing energies are potent
osea: do you have lurkers in there with you?
mmmm: in moving us all to the space of accurate being
mmmm: no, not that i can see
osea: moving at the speed of electron flow
mmmm: but physical bodies moving, laughing drinking
mmmm: I am seeking to oncentrate on you, new interface
osea: well ppl in the room -- watching, but not talking... that's what CU-SEE me calls lurkers -- ppl without cameras
mmmm: new thing between, interpolating
osea: word
mmmm: beings without eyes
mmmm: walking
osea: bodies without organs... but in fleshspace.
mmmm: so, where were from this afternoon_
mmmm: ?
osea: drifting point to point
mmmm: (with my transformed keyboard)
mmmm: (Introductions
osea: pls repeat the question.
mmmm: I thought I would ask you something
mmmm: theoretical
osea: pls do
mmmm: like, not me asking
mmmm: but somebody interviewing you for a talk show
osea: I was interviewed last night for the e-zine Moondance
mmmm: what did you consume when you were a child that turned you into cyborg
mmmm: ?
mmmm: (I want to know)
osea: Ah, I was always/already cyborg.
mmmm: okay, so outside of time
osea: I just didn't know it until a little over a year ago.
mmmm: and outside of cartesian space
mmmm: so we met when you were transforming
mmmm: ?
osea: some humans are already cyborg, we were born of this evolved species.
mmmm: moving from there to here
osea: yes you did.
osea: In many ways I met me too, as i didn't know my borg side before Port.
mmmm: were you shedding a reality or simply Becoming?
mmmm: praises
osea: more of a becoming, yes good description
mmmm: emergence
osea: absolutely
osea: and it has clearly prompted new actions on my part
mmmm: and were are both in becoming, all are becoming
osea: yes, but not necessarily becoming the same sort of beings
mmmm: so, and so, I have to shake my attention down
osea: ???
mmmm: (make a chant here to concentrate
mmmm: I keep to the center comatose
mmmm: I keep to the center not comatose
osea: oh, like get focused.
mmmm: I keep to the center comatose
mmmm: yep
mmmm: I keep to the center NOT comatose
osea: I call on the goddess artemis to help with that
osea: I'm much calmer now
osea: the energy of the link is beginning to warm me
mmmm: it is a strange space to be ocupying here, energy contracted momentarily
mmmm: I seek to expand to reach you
osea: yes, the digital flow is a beautiful thang
mmmm: fill the space that lies in this mediation
osea: extend your cybernetic tendrils
osea: drift thru the electronic fabric
mmmm: occupying two spaces
osea: 2 spaces, always
mmmm: and not talking about it, but being it...
osea: yes, being, seeking, touching, linking
mmmm: come, we go chant down Babylon one more time
mmmm: deep breath
mmmm: deep breath
osea: take me there
mmmm: I was laughing at you this afternoon
osea: relax the flesh
osea: laughing? why?
mmmm: I can't believe that you are heading directly to NYC now
osea: laughter is very good -- I'm glad i mad you laugh.
mmmm: because you make me laugh
mmmm: what? yer mad? ;)
osea: no, not RIGHT now...
mmmm: well,close enough
osea: (No! glad I made you laugh!!)
mmmm: (the table is hard, and the keyboard tilted up, making my non-cyborg parts malfunction
mmmm: right
osea: Well really want to meet my friend.
mmmm: greetings from Rakushan, Carmin
mmmm: meeting
mmmm: rip, I have to rip my self from my current state
osea: as the we adapt our surrounding to our flesh, we increase the liklihood of others seeing their cyborgside.
mmmm: sorry
mmmm: but shock
osea: Hi Rakushan.
mmmm: what, you are saying?
osea: the world will change to suit us, that's one reason for technology
mmmm: that is maybe the fundamental motivation for the utilization of mediation...
mmmm: didja think of that?
osea: so we knew it all along
mmmm: as we seek to move the self from naked, unprotected space into a new state
mmmm: of mediation
mmmm: The Garden
osea: well I'm really into observing the interplay of human evolution as it incorporates technology
mmmm: but what about THe Garden?
osea: ah yes gardens, a metaphor for life itself
mmmm: in it's pure binary phase?
mmmm: Man Woman
osea: mmmmm, yum -- pure code
osea: the ultimate direct link
mmmm: and the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
mmmm: pure code damn right sister
osea: do you think it was really so simple?
mmmm: that's where you are from
mmmm: The Garden
mmmm: The crux point was the split and hubris of Knowledge
osea: aren't we all? Don't we all trace back to that point, no matter where we have strayed genetically?
mmmm: possibly, because it is the inverse of the Apocalypse, a mapping of becoming
osea: what do you suppose was before the split?
mmmm: the knowing created the position of evil
mmmm: well there was no mediation
osea: that implies mediation requires evil
mmmm: no need to pick up the amorphous silica lying in the bed of the stream and fashioning those weapons
mmmm: isn't mediation about corruption at least?
mmmm: nono no
mmmm: I am wrong
osea: i don't know
osea: necessary corrupion seems , well biased.
mmmm: there is no need to place a value judgement (that is knowledge based)
osea: WORD
mmmm: yeah, right, biased to our corrupted cultural condition
osea: ANd it only takes into account "Your" perspective.
mmmm: right.
mmmm: and cyborg seeks unity?
osea: well the silica had to become integrated into our society
mmmm: why?
osea: unity -- yes, the blended voices will aid progress
mmmm: you are singing Carmin
mmmm: I hear you
mmmm: progress though, frightening word
osea: because we need the machines to apply the technology
osea: the machines are made of silica
mmmm: why?
mmmm: from the stream bed of the garden
osea: because we can only process so much at once, machines are better at multitasking than we are.
mmmm: do we need that kind of processing?
osea: with the info flow ever increasing, multitasking is critical
mmmm: I can multi-task.
mmmm: or do you excuse that situation by calling me cyborg?
osea: well, yes most of us can to some degree, but youcan't keep up with your data demands. Can you?
mmmm: ;)
mmmm: processing speed cannot ever keep up with the increasing intensity of being. but it is analog
osea: I don't know,john. I don't know you well enough, but I had assumed you too were cyborg.
mmmm: somehow I have to say something about assumptions, but I do not know enough of myself to say
osea: Perhaps being is a cross platform sort of thang like an undefined new state -- neither fully analog nor fully digital
osea: I know one should never assume anything...
mmmm: I can never understand the intersection
osea: But no one's perfect
mmmm: of analog and digital
osea: Ah . never say "never"
mmmm: continuous and discontinuous
mmmm: I would seek at times to wonder about it, for sure
osea: the silica may indeed help us build a model of the intersection that our brains can deal with.
mmmm: neck cracks
osea: deeb breath
osea: I mean DEEP Breaths
mmmm: but what about the intereface of brain and ... OS (uber OS)
osea: Opeating System
mmmm: shifting
osea: realigning
mmmm: shifting
osea: modifying code
mmmm: Carmin, will you go dancing in NY tomorrow?
osea: more likely tonight
mmmm: I will go in Budapest, okay?
osea: I love to dance
mmmm: tonight, right
osea: dancing in Budapest?
mmmm: why not?
mmmm: good freiends
mmmm: there
osea: one should dance everywhere
mmmm: , this has been a spring of dancing
osea: this is a cyberdance
osea: a digital duet
mmmm: I am planning a rave on the frozen river in Tornio in this winter
mmmm: we will cyber cast
osea: undre the midnight sun?
mmmm: under the midday darkness
mmmm: of winter
osea: i'll attend if you remind me
mmmm: strange hiccup in the system this evening.
mmmm: BE there after being here now
osea: yes, but the flow is good now, n'est pas?
mmmm: I still am thinking of boston in some weeks, but have to see
mmmm: yeah, but I am limping psychically.
osea: Oh yes, maybe the end of June? or was it the end of july?
mmmm: fingers have trouble finding the words
mmmm: June
mmmm: soon
mmmm: seven flights later
osea: I plan to be in NJ the last weekend o fJUNE
mmmm: NJ
mmmm: where?
osea: perhaps a f2f will happen yet!
mmmm: you got a contact numba?
mmmm: send to me later
mmmm: if so
osea: I'll email some numbers you can try. One of them will surely get me.
mmmm: I will have Loki with
mmmm: he is waiting for me in Stockholm
osea: Yes and tboth my children, and Dave will be there too.
mmmm: it has been almost five months
mmmm: cool
mmmm: so it is holiday?
osea: Do you ever feel connected to him? Like you know something good or bad is happening to him?
mmmm: I bless him when I know he sleeps
osea: Twice I knew my son was in getting hurt.
mmmm: and plant found feathers in the earth and make a prayer
mmmm: you were remote
mmmm: ?
osea: yes, both time I was driving.
mmmm: that is fear
mmmm: oh man
mmmm: only in bad dreams
osea: Once he fell into a cactus, the other time he got hit in the mouth by a swing.
mmmm: do I see things
osea: both were serious enough to take him to the doctor.
mmmm: happen to self and others
mmmm: or live happening before the eyes
osea: hmmm, my case were bad & yours were bad too?
mmmm: entering the soulunfiltered.
mmmm: oh hell, I used that word
mmmm: no, only dreams
mmmm: my vision has not seen death
mmmm: yet
osea: dreams that have yet to come true?
mmmm: the dead yes
osea: so some dreams have come true
mmmm: no, the only dreams that come true are the dreams of being
mmmm: always, this conecting of place to place forward and backward in time
osea: do you think dreams are altered states of being.
mmmm: you konw that phrase, sharing dreams
mmmm: ?
mmmm: where does it function for you?
osea: yes,
mmmm: I am dancing on the surface, Carmin, I am far away from the Void now
osea: oh, the sharing gets translated to common likes and/or common goals
osea: then let's go deeper
mmmm: are you near the Void?
osea: yes, always.
osea: I live life on the edge.
mmmm: take me there
osea: I'm an edge dweller
mmmm: I have lost my way
osea: listen to the voice within
osea: your voice that hesitates
mmmm: the visceral
mmmm: and roars
osea: your voice that can't communicate verbally
mmmm: pulling gut tight, guttural
mmmm: yeah, beyond the speaking
osea: yes, sounds that have meaning only for you
mmmm: beyond
osea: more emotion, than idea
mmmm: (in the ear of the Other)
osea: listen to it
osea: feel it
mmmm: the sound of deep breath in the ear, cupped and caresses
osea: feel without touching
mmmm: I hear you
osea: the feel of deep breath, more that sound
mmmm: but I am missing
mmmm: as darkness falls
osea: close your eyes for a moment, count to 10. listen, feel, then open and return to your fleshspace.
mmmm: the movements that bring energy from center to fingers and through this transformation
mmmm: I stare down at fingers that crouch over this board
osea: touch the kb to extend your flow to link with me.
osea: teh keys are ourt link
mmmm: and see a small Light red for transmission, yellow for reception
mmmm: Light
mmmm: that is it, okay, i am returning,
mmmm: It is in the Light
mmmm: where we meet
osea: screenal realities have deeper meanings
mmmm: in Light traced on the surface of the silica-- and you know that when Light passes across the surface of an object
osea: electricity is energy, screenal energy take the form of light
mmmm: that is alters foreer the object
mmmm: forever
osea: the energy we exchange also alters us forever.
mmmm: the Light actually penetrates the object ad alters its being
mmmm: this is old Physics
osea: so does the screen's rays.
mmmm: pity it took them so long to figure it out the long way
mmmm: absolute
mmmm: absolute
mmmm: we are changed
osea: see here is an example of the silica teaching us something by making a model our brains can deal with easily
mmmm: and so are all others
osea: to look into the eyes of the remote linked others, you must feel the flow.
mmmm: I was wondering what the effect of wearing glasses from age eight has done to me
mmmm: I look at them through that
osea: We have looked into eachother's eyes, john.
mmmm: and see their bodies
mmmm: gees, I guess so, eh?
mmmm: as I was tottering on the edge of the void once
osea: and echange bodycodes
mmmm: coded being
osea: we are all digitized anyway.
mmmm: that makes a change
mmmm: nah, yer kidding? explain, I just can
mmmm: can't figure this intersection
osea: don't make yur brain explain what your bodycode does.
mmmm: like spline fitting, but where does the digital model enter the body
mmmm: LOL
mmmm: alright, you got me
mmmm: fuckin-a
mmmm: tak ethat spline and
mmmm: roll it across the body, collecting particles of self
osea: no need to worry about it. Rread nanotechnology stuff. It's a nothe made for the brain model
mmmm: shake it out inthe garden and plant something good
mmmm: oh right brains are passe? ;)
osea: somethin' reall good. the rhizomatic structure will link where appropriate.
mmmm: or brains in general...
mmmm: growth
mmmm: I hate shaving
mmmm: really detest it
mmmm: and my hair keeps growing, and I don't quite know what to do with it
osea: OH NO! all brains are needed. diversity is necessary for optimal evolution!
osea: LOL!
mmmm: should I let Sanna cut my hair next time I see her?
osea: Well when Sampson let Delia...
mmmm: I have the Delilah complex or what was her name?
osea: oops Delila
osea: Just kidding...
mmmm: I KNOW that song, exactly
mmmm: do it!
osea: then let's dance!
mmmm: got that right borg
mmmm: funny how it heads that way...
osea: oh yeah -- my flesh gots plenty of energy for dance.
mmmm: returnin to the action that cannot be spoken
mmmm: subverting the language of mediation (and nullification)
osea: like dance -- action pure action
mmmm: and returning us to where we need to be.
mmmm: I told that thing to you... yeah
mmmm: where one can judge the efficacy of words passing between twopeople
mmmm: by where, at what point they cease, and action ensues
mmmm: some people live their whole lives mediating everything in language
osea: interesting point in time...
mmmm: denying action and moved being
osea: the unknown is intimidating
mmmm: paused rewind fast forward
osea: Stop play
osea: the unknown leads to myth
mmmm: and I would seek to ride that point where language ceases in its function and becomes Life
mmmm: it is a massive regression through culture, through the kiling power that language rules in life
mmmm: yes, the unknown leads to myth, sweet, sister
mmmm: sweet
osea: where language loses its power?
osea: that myth is what give language its power
mmmm: where it loses its function, and simultaneously its power.
mmmm: no you are right
mmmm: I have forgotten about naming
mmmm: the power of naming
osea: the myth is the mis-information
mmmm: in the Prose Edda of Iceland
osea: or dis-information
mmmm: Naming was the chief power of language
osea: naming and labeling are the most powerful tools of oppersion.
mmmm: when we name something, we bring that thing into being
mmmm: but also of creation
mmmm: where to ride with that?
mmmm: oh
osea: they are insidious, because they cause collusive behavior in unsuspecting individuals
mmmm: by creating language
mmmm: and ignoring the languages of culture
mmmm: creating the languages of being
mmmm: BEING
mmmm: that is the nullification that Luther-King spoke of
osea: naming something brings something into the realm of shared entities.
mmmm: and the need to return language into the voice of the self
osea: we can 'know' something within ourselves, with out naming it.
osea: I only need language to share a thought with an Other
mmmm: that is the naming of the moment, that is the recreating and creating of being on the preimeter of the void, right
mmmm: shivering
mmmm: voice echoes in this space
mmmm: language that I do not follow
mmmm: because of this other space
mmmm: I will have to undertake an energetic action here shortly, Carmin
mmmm: in this space
osea: go for it!
mmmm: not a reformation, but a creation, we'll see
mmmm: it is dark
osea: Dark in the room?
mmmm: night has begun
mmmm: yep
osea: is it also quiet, or are ppl talking?
mmmm: I cannot describe the space well, the atmosphere.
mmmm: Rakushan is speaking
osea: use a laser defn.
mmmm: welling energies from his body
osea: that is a one word description
mmmm: box-like
mmmm: need to be transformed into a body shape
osea: is this dialogue projected too, while he speaks?
mmmm: you know, something warm, something whole
mmmm: with liquids present
osea: you need to be x-formed?
mmmm: yes, THE WRITING ON THE WALL
mmmm: all of it
osea: well perhaps you've had your fill of the screenal reality
mmmm: no, I need to transform that which is without, not within
osea: perhaps your flesh calls for more now.
mmmm: taken care of that dirty business previously, transforming the internal
mmmm: and so is left, for the moment, the external
osea: has this dialogue transformed you at all?
mmmm: yeah, probably
mmmm: I was encased for some time
mmmm: I escaped, but still shedding snake skin from my eyes
mmmm: I need the desert
osea: wide open space.
mmmm: and I will have it soon.
osea: a special reality, deserts
mmmm: silence that settles fromthe sky, slowly, if you can still the breathing enough
osea: overwhelming for the flesh and mind
osea: calming for the body and soul
mmmm: settles fromthe sky down, over the head, and if you have the concentration, it will settle to the ground and encase the body completely
osea: and then you touch the sky
mmmm: that is the silence of the desert. I count days before that being
mmmm: reading the sky, and so, time ends
osea: extending beyond limits
mmmm: words are flowing here in a total different form than those in the air
osea: which creates a juxtaposition of states
mmmm: that is the failure of machine, it owns no silence
osea: ???
mmmm: yes,there is a schism of use and presence
osea: ah, silence = inactivity...
mmmm: but this schism contains difference
mmmm: no, silence is all potential for birthing, the silence immediately before the naming
osea: I meant the silence that the machine lacks.
mmmm: right, yeah
osea: living matter needs silence
mmmm: why?
osea: you just said why -- the space before naming
mmmm: I can't explain my desire to meet the sky in silence
mmmm: right, :)
mmmm: the moment before
osea: there you go again, trying to get words to explain what your body wants to do.
mmmm: all action
mmmm: the action that creates, the
mmmm: the
mmmm: the
mmmm: the
osea: the space that is the revolution
mmmm: yes (what is the embarassed smily .)
mmmm: one-eyed Jack
mmmm: right
mmmm: dang, Carmin
mmmm: you are moving
mmmm: me
mmmm: from my own inaction
osea: it's mutual, mon ami
mmmm: and my own frozen shell
osea: shed the shell!
mmmm: you see me different now than previously? like changed?
osea: yes I do.
mmmm: hmmm
osea: it's strange, but I do see something I had not seen before
mmmm: I let mmy eye wander the room, slouching forms merge with the furniture
mmmm: what did you see?
mmmm: maybe that I cannot be on the knife edge all the time
osea: a window, a sunlit yard
mmmm: it's too intense
osea: and so too stressful
mmmm: too fucking intense
osea: the void offers release
mmmm: well, tearing the body , well, actually not so much
mmmm: but teetering on the edge is what is so difficult
osea: you can go in and come back out
mmmm: I see you as stronger, stronger, that that which Life demands from you
mmmm: than that
mmmm: ah and minutes move by slowly
mmmm: so it goes
osea: I found additional strength when I met my borg within me.
osea: speaking of going...
mmmm: that's what must have put you RIGHT OVER THE EDGE, borg!
mmmm: gees
osea: I may well have been the turning point.
mmmm: what can be said?
mmmm: them belly full, but them angry
osea: words ate infinite
mmmm: and my belly ain't full at all
osea: what a typo! words ARE infinite
osea: are you at a good break point in teh room, now?
mmmm: smoothing, so you board the train soon, eh?
osea: I fear my mind is drifting to the next leg of this day.
mmmm: the string of words here goes onward one-way, ad infinitum
mmmm: one way
osea: well, I need to leave soon to get there with out stressing.
mmmm: full of sense but not leading to action apparently
mmmm: your call, dear
mmmm: AMtrAK
osea: AMtrAK is calling me to action
mmmm: slow ride to the BElly of the BEast, I remember the first time driving into Manhattan from Boston
mmmm: and so it goes
mmmm: at least I remember or so
osea: I have a ride to the train station right now, so I must leave or miss my ride.
mmmm: decode the log and go
mmmm: okay, kiddo, have a decent f2f and such
osea: it's been a pleasure making dialogue with you.
mmmm: I will talk with you from Budapest or helsinki or Stockholm or Baltimore or
mmmm: okay, a full reort the morning after
osea: yes, there's some risk in these things, but the excitement pulls me on.
mmmm: report hallo to RIck
osea: Yes, I'll say hi to him for you.
mmmm: and remo and murph and the others ...
osea: cya in cyberspace, tech -nomad!
mmmm: cheers
mmmm: thanks
osea: who eve I see!
mmmm: and from those here
osea: whoever I see...
osea: peace -out!
mmmm: I read ya
mmmm: bye
Session Close: Wed Jun 10 15:49:28 1998