dialogue 6 with Lily Diaz, March 12 1997

Session Start: Wed Mar 12 11:51:59 1997
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jaycee: good evening!
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jaycee: Greetings!
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jaycee:As for MIT, they have not arrived...
Alma: Hello Jaycee
jaycee: Oh wait, there they are, hallo MIT
Alma: Who is going to be present?
nomini: Hi, I got on very easy.
jaycee: Well, probably only the machines at the gallery at MIT
Alma: What's up?
jaycee: although other people could drop in -- how you wish to deal with them is up to you
nomini: Hello, this is Remo....
jaycee: Yes, the IRCnet is healthy today -- 68 servers worldwide and 15000 users...
nomini: I'm going to set up the other computer now...have fun kids....
jaycee: Thanks Remo!
jaycee: BTW, Remo, this is Lily Diaz, in Helsinki
Alma: Hey Jaycee, are you always Jaycee on the IRC?
Alma: Hi guys!
jaycee: And Lily, this is Remo Campopiano, the curator of the show at MIT
Alma: Any other alters?
jaycee: Yeah, jaycee (my first initials), just easiest?
Alma: Hello Remo, "How do you do?!"
jaycee: seems like a fast connection, too -- I am actually on a server in California!
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Alma: Does this mean that there are 15000 logged in right now?
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jaycee: not logged into PORT, but just chatting on parallel channels...
jaycee: on the whole IRCnet network
Alma: Yeah, that's what I meant
Alma: So, tell me more about the comet
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jaycee: The Finns know how to build an IRC network!
Alma: Are you into astronomy and stuff like that
PORT2: Got two up....
jaycee: and how to be diplomatic
Alma: What do you mean by that?
jaycee: Well, my dad is advanced amateur...
jaycee: he's got a 14-inch (in dia) x 2 meter telescope that he built
Alma: Oh you are talking about the policy of neutrality (diplomacy...)
jaycee: yes, right, you know they "invented" IRC
Alma: Well, Leon just came up here. He is a 17 year old cat that was actually born near Boston
jaycee: Wow, you brought him over?
jaycee: didn't they have strict quarantine?
Alma: He has lived in Boston, Cambridge, Hew Haven, New York and now Helsinki, Yes he came with me
jaycee: a traveler!
jaycee: what's a cat say in Finnish?
Alma: He will probably go soon to Spain to spend the rest of his days in a friends farm in southern Andalucia. Cat 0 Kissa
Alma: I mean cat = kissa
jaycee: kissa, that's like the Icelandic diminutive
jaycee: for cat
Alma: Cool! He is really soft, all gray with big yellow eyes
jaycee: I got up at 5 this morning to see the comet
jaycee: Incredible! Definitely Portentous
Alma: I got up to help with the baby. (My husband has the 4 AM shift.)
jaycee: good for him! brave soul
jaycee: was it clear?
Alma: He is definitely a great help. I do not know if I had to this all on my own, Yikes!
Alma: The baby likes soul music, so far...
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jaycee: Yeah, when they are really little and also when they are beginning to move independently, it's good to have four eyes on them!
Alma: He is really funny sometimes he laughs when we play him this Marvin Gayne tune
Alma: Tell me, he is also very strong and he pushes himself around in the crib.
Alma: (I meant Marvin Gaye?)
jaycee: Music is raw emotion to them, I think -- Loki would always start crying when I would play kinda Blue by Miles
jaycee: I danced with him in my arms every night to the first four songs of Buffalo Soldier
Alma: We also play a lot of jazz and he seems to like it. (Miles Davis, etc. He also likes Bjork?)
jaycee: Yes, I assumed Marvin Gaye
jaycee: Bjork... she's a trip...
Alma: I dance with him too! :-) He really loves it.
Alma: I saw her at Pori she is really cool
jaycee: very important, bonding with movement... It won't last forever, though I wish it would...
Alma: That is Pori Jazz Festival. I highly recommend anyone who is around Europe at this time (July) to attend it.
jaycee: I can't pick Loki up anymore between my back and his weight!
Alma: You told me he is 5. Does he travel with you?
jaycee: Yeah, my friend Kaisu Koivisto lives out there -- I was there in May, but not for the festival...
jaycee: Yes, in the first year, we traveled in Europe four months and camped a month in Iceland
Alma: The festival is in the most beautiful spot
jaycee: then he went to the US at 1.5 for two months. Sweden for a month
Alma: Right now Matias is here watching us
Alma: He is with his father Kari-Hans
jaycee: He likes to travel. Hey, did he get two passports for being born in Finland?
Alma: So the whole family is here (including the cat.)
jaycee: it's a party!
Alma: I do not know yet, I have to find out. He is a Finno-Vene-Rican
jaycee: Whew, complicated! Multi-nationality seems to be the way of the future...
Alma: Because the father is Finnish, and the mother is half Puerto Rican and half Venezuelan :-)
Alma: Well it mean he will learn many languages.
jaycee: I am jealous! Being 'only' Scots-Canadian and Californian...
Alma: So tell me more about your son.
jaycee: Well. I am counting days to see him April 20th... Blond, blue-eyed, uh, named for the trickster god
Alma: What is his sun sign?
jaycee: tall and lanky like his pabby
jaycee: Lion
jaycee: August 18
jaycee: early in the morning
jaycee: We share dreams and stories and adventures
Alma: So he is a Leo, a lot of performers are born in this sign.
jaycee: and the sorrow of not being together more
jaycee: yes, he has the clowning sense already in play school...
Alma: Tell me about those dreams, and how they relate to the stories. Why are you not together more often?
jaycee: I want to work with his confidence this summer
Alma: Work with his confidence?
jaycee: Well, we got in the habit of talking about dreams last summer and at four, they are fragments and fleeting
Alma: Funny, when I met you at Moo, I thought I had met you before. deja vu
jaycee: but real... He sleeps well, well, the stories are not so related, except I make up stories when we drive about him and three friends
Alma: Well a fragment can hold a lot of information in it. Specially if its visual
Alma: Who are the three friends?
jaycee: Casper, Jonathan, Simon and Loki... Something I recall from John Lennon
jaycee: Well, I have been trying to, for example work with him to paint abstractly following dreams
jaycee: rather than painting a house or something...
Alma: I really loved Lennon. I was in Boston when he died. I used to work as a bartender at the Boston Park Plaza Hotel
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jaycee: he gravitates to volcanoes (Iceland!)
_yes: hallo alma, bekend?
Alma: Bekend?
jaycee: I was in Colorado with a friend Mark, stunned. I have a huge collection of Lennon/onio tapes and albums...
jaycee: Ono, that is...
jaycee: Have you listened much to her albums from the 70's?
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Alma: Yeah that was like so sad.
jaycee: She is POWERFUL!
Alma: Yeah, she is weird but in a way I think that she was the first punk rocker I mean punk
jaycee: She had a beautiful exhibition that toured Scandinavia in 91-92
Alma: I used to be into the music scene in Boston. I used to follow all the rock bands. Hang out at this place called the Underground
jaycee: It was electric and highly original
jaycee: Gosh did you ever go to the Paradise Club?
jaycee: You know Peter Johnson, the Cars, Bonnie Raitt
jaycee: I lived in Cambridge in 79, my brother was active in managing a few band there and doing photography
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murph: Oh, oh
jaycee: whew.... shit happens
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jaycee: so it goes...
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murph: That was quick
jaycee: wow, a fly-through from Hungary
murph: How's it going?
murph: And who's Lily Diaz?
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jaycee: Actually, IRCnet is in much better shape than EFnet... I have been looking at their stats over the past week, and they maintain
jaycee: about 60 servers most of the time, and widely distributed world-wide
Alma: Hello Jaycee you are still there, I do not know what happened
jaycee: whew. A hiccup
jaycee: it happens
jaycee: take a breath
Alma: Anywise, what did you say your brother's name was
jaycee: Doug Hopkins
jaycee: he left for the big apple in 80 -- to do fashion photography
Alma: I guess I did not know him then. Did you hear of the Del Fuegos
jaycee: for cosmo and vogue... etc
jaycee: Yes, definitely
Alma: I used to live, for a while, in this loft near the Combat Zone
Alma: There were a lot of music people there. Did you ever go to a place called the Darkroom in Central Square?
jaycee: well, Boston is a cool town... Bun chilling in the winter, though
jaycee: Yes, the Darkroom...
jaycee: Weird to recall that place...
Alma: Its not sooo bad.
jaycee: maybe compared to Helsinki
Alma: Did you ever go there? I used to also hang out there.
jaycee: but not Arizona...
jaycee: it's 75F here today
jaycee: chuckle
Alma: Helsinki is not as cold as people think.
Alma: Yesterday was 10 degrees Celsius in Helsinki
jaycee: Yeah, since it has the ocean there
jaycee: Not bad. I recall when I left last May on the 20th it hadn't gotten over 6C
jaycee: yet
Alma: Try going up a little bit north, then you are REALLY talking cold and lots of snow
Alma: Last winter was definitely colder.
Alma: Yeah but then there is the summer and the archipelago...
jaycee: say, not to change the subject, but I was wondering what your take is on Puerto Rican Nationalist movement?
jaycee: if you have a take on it
jaycee: (just moving south for a moment)
Alma: Have you heard anything about them recently?
jaycee: Well, not really, of course news from PR is hard to come by anyway
jaycee: and there is nothing alternative here
Alma: Funny but its true. Its usually hard to know what is really going on there
jaycee: the only information is on AmEx ads
jaycee: and the beaches look wonderful...
jaycee: so it goes
jaycee: Maybe there is a web presence... Should look into that
Alma: I have a friend who as an electronic magazine there: El Cuarto Quenepon. You should check it out
jaycee: will do
Alma: Its pretty cool but a lot of the stuff is in Spanish
Alma: Do a search on Cuarto Quenepon...
jaycee: si habla espa�ol (pequito) and don't spell well at all..
jaycee: I worked in Venezuela, Ecuador and Colombia for a time
Alma: I think they translate some of it. They really want to make it a point to speak Spanish though
Alma: I was raised in Caracas. My father is Venezuelan. He still lives there
jaycee: it is important. language is culture
jaycee: I only flew in and out of Caracas, was working in the hinterlands of the Vene/Colo border
Alma: Well more than that language defines national identity. All conquering cultures have always tried to impose their language on the conquered.
jaycee: in-between the M-19's and somebody else and the armies
Alma: A troublesome area, I have heard
jaycee: Yes a strange vortex of things
Alma: There are quarrels with Colombia. There is also another area in dispute.
jaycee: La Violencia in 1959 -- you know about that time?
Alma: My father tells me that the US and Britain had somthing to do with it.
jaycee: I worked in a town that was built to the remains of itself that was bombed flat then
Alma: He says that the US bullied Venezuela into giving up this territories to British Guyana
jaycee: And I wonder now what forms these aggressions are taking in the world?
Alma: Well was this something to do with the ousting of Perez Jimenez?
Alma: What do you mean?
jaycee: I am not sure, people wouldn't talk there, they were still cowed, and I was taken in a number of
jaycee: times to the Police comandante, just checking my papers...
jaycee: Faugh!
Alma: What were you doing there?
jaycee: Well, it seems in Latin America the obvious expressions of hegemony are not so much present, just changing form
jaycee: Believe it or not I was working for a US multinational -- Union Oil of California, looking for Oil
jaycee: But I photographed a lot and traveled as a journalist for safety...
jaycee: I worked like that for three years, based in eLAy, then resigned one day... walked out
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murph: hmm
jaycee: I am speaking too much...
jaycee: overloading lines
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jaycee: hiccup
Alma: Hey! What is going on?
jaycee: it is like a space time folding warp
jaycee: I dunno -- are you on chalmers? or Funet?
Alma: I am on chalmers
jaycee: the Baltic is Storming?
jaycee: ruffling the cables deep on the bottom
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Alma: I just left it set up like it was yesterday
jaycee: well, it's not you I don't think -- your machine isn't crashing is it?
Alma: I do not think so...
Alma: So tell me, what is going on in Cambridge right now?
jaycee: Sometimes IRCle and Homer on the Mac are unstable
jaycee: No idea. I was in Bean Town last year for CAA, but not much since
Alma: Oh, did you go to CAA in New York?
jaycee: Of course PORT is making a sensation I hope
jaycee: Yeah, first and last time for that organization...
Alma: Why?
jaycee: I was sickened at the atmosphere of paranoia and fear that was rampant!
jaycee: Job-wise
Alma: What do you mean?
Alma: Like they do not want to talk about what they do etc?
jaycee: And I couldn't take the exclusive language of academia that was everywhere... too closed
jaycee: yeah, basically fear couched in language and exclusion
Alma: Yeah, well that is definitely bull. Did you go to see any part of my panel?
jaycee: which really seemed apparent to me, after living outside for a time
jaycee: No I didn't
jaycee: What was it?
Alma: Well they figure that they have to keep the "masses" out. But this is true almost everywhere on the East coast. I think
jaycee: I recall that you were there, but I was doing a visiting artist thing at the same time and couldn't make it to everything I wanted
jaycee: The show of women artists across the street was nice -- with Louise Bourgeoise
Alma: Crossing the Boundaries. We had a live real time ISDN connection with Helsinki and that's how I directed the proceedings. Kari Hintikka did his presentation over through this too
jaycee: No, that was in NYC now, right?
jaycee: Crossing the Boundaries
jaycee: yes
Alma: I am supposed to be getting a copy of the Techno Seduction catalogue. Yeah this was at the conference
jaycee: How did it go?
Alma: What about your visiting artist affair. tell me more
Alma: The panel went very well.
jaycee: I was out at Holy Cross doing a 24-hour project (plus two weeks of teaching) where I connected about four schools
Alma: Where is Holy Cross?
jaycee: via the internet for the kids to collab and play
jaycee: In Worcester Mass
Alma: Cool.
Alma: I see so you were not in New York this time.
jaycee: It was okay... On the ground, this technology is not very cooperative
jaycee: no, I missed NYC
jaycee: I purposely missed it..
Alma: One thing about CAA is that it seems its always the same people
jaycee: Yep, like ISEA, at least the hard-core core which seems impenetrable except by the devices and manifestations of FAME
jaycee: (Okay, I'm being cynical, sorry)
Alma: Well, talking about ISEA, there is this multi cultural list that I am helping with and I have mentioned your project in it. This woman Gisela was really interested. I will forward you the message.
Alma: FAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
jaycee: (written by Lennon and performed by he and Bowie...
jaycee: How is the ISEA list going, that's not the "main listserv, is it?
Alma: No it is called ISEA Multi-Cultural
jaycee: I know Pit Schultz flamed the note sent from ISEA to Nettime...
Alma: What note was that one? (I hope not one of mine!) ;-)
jaycee: Well, how do I subscribe? I was going to organize for Nettime a network of people who would help with translations and "tidying" English texts for net publication
Alma: (I did send one out to this huge list, not knowing that it was going out to everyone and got a sore butt.)
Alma: I have to send you email that details this, or you can check out the ISEA web site.
jaycee: Well, I would have to look, but it did have something to do with inclusion, uh, I can't remember
Alma: Going back to this thing of fame. It is really a problem because it hinders people from really doing good work.
jaycee: well, I see a lot of people who talk the talk and do not walk the walk
Alma: Yep! Sounds familiar! (It could also be from this British collective Displaced Data
jaycee: like, assholes who speak about communications
jaycee: I mean, you have to be humane to really speak to the Other
jaycee: speak With the Other
Alma: Well that seems to be the problem. There was all this talk about inclusion in Rotterdam, etc. So the list was set up so we could discuss these things and plan stuff and since then I guess there is no more to talk about.
jaycee: exactly.
jaycee: Which tells me that ISEA is a platform for ranting and visibility except on the very fringes
Alma: So, we'll see. We had a lot of people join so it would be nice if we could get something going.
Alma: That is funny!
jaycee: no time for questions in ANY of the panels -- the Talkers went over w/o exception
Alma: I have a friend who calls it the techno ghetto
jaycee: totally agree. That's why I enjoyed Media and Ethics -- much the opposite
jaycee: plenty of dialogue (talk schedule did get screwed up tho...)
Alma: Well it is different over here. People are more calm. They think more about what they say.
jaycee: yes, words still have value. In the US, one's word has no value! Amazing moral situation
jaycee: Only the Bank statements!
jaycee: have value
Alma: Well its not the word it is the money
jaycee: accurate!
jaycee: bingo!
Alma: Yep! I am so glad I am not there.
Alma: Sorry to say this.
jaycee: do you think you will stay in Europe?
Alma: I hope so. I mean I would like to be able to travel and work in the States because I still have friends and family there, but you know I went through so much heartache there...
jaycee: My dream is the 6 months here and 6 months there...
Alma: 3 months there, 9 months here :-)
jaycee: I have an offer for the fall - two courses at CU Boulder... So I am still dreaming
jaycee: I want a house in Colorado for people to come to and speak with each other
Alma: That sounds nice.
Alma: I want a little house in San Lucar de Barrameda, so I can go during the winters there
Alma: there.
jaycee: It is a state of imposed schizophrenia in a way, but incredibly energizing to have ones feet in different soils
Alma: San Lucar is where they make manzanilla and fino and all kinds of nice jerez
jaycee: manzanilla -- reminds me I have to get a manzanita stick to take to Loki -- for magic
Alma: Well I feel that this is my home now
jaycee: How do you like the Light in Scandinavia?
Alma: So you are teaching the kid all kinds of weird stuff.
jaycee: I try!
jaycee: I know about sage and desert things, and I can read the weather here and the rocks
Alma: You mean the abundance in the summer and lack in the winter?
jaycee: well, that and the simple qualities of Light
jaycee: so different than in the south
Alma: Well that is not totally true. During the winter, once it has snowed, everything takes a silver appearance, even during the day the sun looks silvery.
jaycee: Yes, a blue silver (well, in Iceland at least)
Alma: During the summer everything is gold.
Alma: I really love it here...
jaycee: right, and the low brilliance of Light -- in the eyes much of the time rather than pounding or stroking the top of the head
Alma: .
jaycee: That's cool -- you know the first time I ever went to Helsinki was for ISEA 94 and I had such a great time,
Alma: Oops!
jaycee: the energy is fabulous!
Alma: That was my first time too.
jaycee: You know I was at your talk then
Alma: (Maybe I met you then... I had a great time. Did you go on the boat to Saint Petersburg?
Alma: That was really awful!
jaycee: I had a hard time understanding what you were doing, and wanted to see the CD myself
jaycee: No, I was doing a performance for Night of the Arts that weekend, and had to stay -- we had a fax connection performance with NYC for six hours
Alma: You can check out the web site: www.mlab.uiah.fi/simultaneous/
jaycee: okay
jaycee: you did actually burn a CD, right?
jaycee: I mean , I understood what you were saying, but I guess I needed to ask questions and didn't
Alma: Yeah! But I have never tried to do anything with it. I then decided to put it on the web and now I have group of high school students in Brooklyn who are going to use it in the Fall.
jaycee: as course material?
jaycee: Maybe I could see it when I come through in May
Alma: But that was an awful experience because I could not show the work and I had a very hard time dealing with the ISEA/helsinki people.
jaycee: Really? I thought things were better organized then than in Montreal!
jaycee: I guess it is relative
Alma: They are going to use it for a course on using primary sources in research.
jaycee: relative
Alma: It was a nightmare for me and other people I knew.
jaycee: will they also "use" you
jaycee: too bad...
jaycee: I like to stay in the background at conferences and ask questions...
Alma: Well these things happen. These events do not always work out.
jaycee: M&E had plenty of problems too, but at least the scale is human
jaycee: human
Alma: I agree with you on that. (Also, that was my first time speaking in public!)
jaycee: You had a huge audience -- it was packed!
Alma: I really enjoyed this guy Marc Dery.
jaycee: I made a very critical statement at the closing plenary about the English-first-language speakers...
Alma: I could not see anything because the lights were out on the house.
Alma: Really?
jaycee: probably better that way!
Alma: Not really, I like to see human faces when I speaking.
jaycee: I remember your talk was understandable when many of the first-language (on uni-language folks) were incomprehensible to me...
Alma: Which brings us to this one, we are not seeing each other now.
jaycee: true
jaycee: well, I see in words and language things that are you
Alma: Well, in all these events you always have weirdoes
jaycee: no doubt!
Alma: Neat! You can feel language in that way!
jaycee: well, I am very sensitive about language, though I am terrible speaking second ones...
jaycee: I understand a lot
jaycee: you are probably beyond that, as you are into the fluent stage with more than one
Alma: Well it helps if you can listen. A lot of people nowadays are not really interested in listening. They are thinking about what they are going to tell you.
Alma: They want to listen to themselves talk.
jaycee: you know/feel the difference as a part of you. for me it is a lot intellectual, unfortunately
jaycee: yep
Alma: I love to listen to my husband speak Finnish. It sounds so cool!
jaycee: Yes, I love the sound of it too, and love to speak it in my head and to people when I get to another place...
jaycee: I sure hope I will be able to do my performance at Jangva in May -- gotta hit Philip up for a data projector
Alma: What is Jangva?
jaycee: Gallery Jangva -- behind the Jarnsvartorget
jaycee: across from Parliament
Alma: Haven't been.
Alma: The baby is crying!
jaycee: Terhi is running it, or chairs a committee
jaycee: you two still haven't met
jaycee: she was all worried about you not getting on, but she is swamped with too many responsibilities
jaycee: uh oh
Alma: No I have been meaning to visit her sessions at the Academy. It's just I have not had any time.
jaycee: I think she had one this Monday, I missed it -- too early in the morning for me
jaycee: when I have to work
Alma: I thought I sent her email telling her that everything was okay? Well, who knows. The first 2-3 weeks I can hardly remember anything.
Alma: It was like day and night blended into one :-(
jaycee: Right, the utter submergence in human-ness
jaycee: I had severe trouble with sleep deprivation and ended up sleeping in the unheated attic on work days ---
jaycee: before workdays, that is
Alma: So what is going on over there now?
jaycee: Over where?
Alma: I have problems with it too Right now I am also suffering from a sever stiff neck.
Alma: Over where you are. In California...
jaycee: bummer. I have gotten two shiatsu treatments which were heaven -- can you stand a sauna?
Alma: And in Cambridge... Are there any people there. What time is it there? Its too bad we cannot see each other.
Alma: It would be ahrd to live in Finland if you could not be in sauna.
Alma: I meant hard.
jaycee: I'm in Arizona, it's 130 PM, on a brilliant afternoon, I look out the window at a huge granite peak at 8000 feet
jaycee: In Cambridge I guess it's 330 PM
Alma: Cool! Its night here. The news just ended. (I heard.) The baby stopped crying.
Alma: In the afternoon?
jaycee: That is a good treatment. That's what I miss about Iceland -- the hot waters
jaycee: Loki and I will swim everyday for two or three hours together
jaycee: Yeah late afternoon in Cambridge
Alma: That is something I really want to experience.
jaycee: Well, when you go to the USA, you can fly on Icelandair at the same cost (maybe cheaper)
jaycee: than Finnair direct
jaycee: I'll pay USD1090 RT NYC-REK-HEL-STK-REK-NYC
Alma: Jaycee, what is this Freepixor thing that just came up?
jaycee: I don't see it...
Alma: That is a really good price
Alma: *Freepixor* http://www.girlsgirlsgirls.com/lippoper & http://www.adultplayground.com/cb/lippoper L:demo P:demo to get in! FREE Live shows and FREE pics! BOOKMARK THOSE SITES and come back SOON
jaycee: yeah and I can change dates w/o penalty -- gotta get my ticket to day
Alma: I just pasted it for you to see it.
jaycee: oh man, bullshit porn bot adverts
Alma: What are pron bots?
Alma: I meant porn bots?
jaycee: they send bots to cover all channels... I have shut them from my screen since I am operator...
jaycee: like software robots
Alma: Oh like war bots
jaycee: yeah
jaycee: that's advertising on IRC
Alma: Its funny how it brings the best out in people.
jaycee: Oh hey, the ISEA posting was from isea97@artic.edu an initiative to promote diversity
Alma: Advertising
jaycee: right!
Alma: Yeah, you can find the multi-cultural stuff there.
jaycee: from Joelle Rabion
Alma: Yeah. It has the info on how to subscribe.
Alma: Will you go to ISEA in Chicago?
jaycee: I'll check it out, though I must say I mostly restrict my email to direct contact with individuals --
jaycee: I doubt it. But if I am at Boulder, maybe. I have a friend who might go
jaycee: what about you?
Alma: I probably will not go.
jaycee: It is a long way!
Alma: I have a lot of work that time of the year. And I will be going back full time. (I start part time in May.)
jaycee: That is teaching?
jaycee: or the research
Alma: Both.
jaycee: double-whammy!
jaycee: are you actually doing a thesis?
jaycee: like a published thing
Alma: Yeah. You cannot do things the wimpy way. You have to take the bull by the horns
jaycee: right GO FOR IT!
jaycee: how is the second class of Media Lab shaping up? Do you see Samu at all?
Alma: Yep. I am working on doing an electronic 3_D stereo rendition of the Map of Uppsala (or Map of Mexico 1554)
jaycee: wow
jaycee: cool! I'd love to see/read about it
Alma: I see him all the time. He seems to be doing okay. (I think his hair is a different color these days. like kinda white.)
jaycee: I was way into mapping/remote sensing in geophysics
jaycee: give him my regards, definitely and warn him I am coming to town again
Alma: I'll show you when you come in May. (work in progress though.)
jaycee: it's a date!
Alma: We'll have to make Finnish/Puerto Rican meal. (As you can see I am into food.)
Alma: I just got a message from my server that I will be disconnected in 5 minutes. Time quota...
jaycee: hey, cool, I'm there. Been eating as much Mexican food as possible here -- a woman comes by my office twice a week with fresh tamales
jaycee: okay, well, that is almost the end of the two hours anyway...
jaycee: they control things in a variety of ways...
*** jaycee sets mode: +o Alma
Alma: Wow! That sounds awesome! Tamales. Well, there is Mexican guy who has an pretty good restaurant here in Helsinki. You have to check it out when you come.
jaycee: I just made you an operator, so I think they CAN'T kick you off...
jaycee: Yeah, chicken, pork, beef, hand rolled in corn, definitely fine stuff -- only I eat too many of them
Alma: No, this is my connection at school. We have a 1:55 time limit per connection. I could dial again, though.
jaycee: oh, I see... Well, In case you disappear -- it has been fine, my regards to Kari-Hans and the rest of the Media Lab folks
Alma: You can bring tamales with you, tough.
jaycee: I'll fill my suitcase, but Loki will eat them!
jaycee: I always carry corn meal which you can't get in Iceland -- I make corn bread with him
Alma: Yeah it will just automatically disconnect me. (You can have them vacume packed in a can. I have brought all kinds of hams and suasages from Spain.)
Alma: I meant sausages.
jaycee: oh right. the cans...
Alma: And olive oil...
jaycee: well, hey, this has been nice -- I like a conversation that opens future possibilities!
jaycee: yeah, do you shop at Stockmans?
Alma: Its going to kick me off any minute now... Ground control to Mayor Tom...
jaycee: for the especialidades?
jaycee: well, take care, get some sleep, enjoy that little one!
jaycee: they grow too fast
Alma: They have almost everything I need. Plus there are a few specialty delis (Indian, etc. I have been able to get even Venezuelan corn flou
Alma: Corn flour...
jaycee: Yeah Helsinki is much more cosmo than Reykjavík
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jaycee: 8 times bigger than all of Iceland population
jaycee: okay, folks, Four O'clock your time, Remo
jaycee: Lily was timed out. And so...
jaycee: Until next week, I run away too
jaycee: I got your email
jaycee: cheers
Session Close: Wed Mar 12 13:58:57 1997